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Police caution affect bank employability?

Basically, will investment banks and well... I suppose all financial services check criminal records or is it just convictions?

My sister just got a caution today for shoplifting and she's scared as hell. She's really sorry and swears she'll never do it again. She's really hard-working normally and goes to a really good uni... I don't know what she was thinking at the time but I believe she's genuinely sorry (all I can guess is that it's because we don't have much money). I'm posting for her because this doesn't have the anon. feature :frown:

Any help would be very appreciated!

Reply 1

trance addict

18

No idea if that could be used against her.. i think theyd be more scared if shed been accused of fraud, money laundering etc

Reply 2

20083

2

May be wrong, but I wouldn't think you would have to disclose a caution when applying for a job. A caution is just that - don't do it again, or there will be trouble. She wasn't charged with a crime, will not go to court...

Reply 3

Prudy

15

It depends. Firstly, I don't think cautions have to be declared, anyway, with employment convicitons only have to be declared if the organisation asks for it, and then they can only ask for the information in accordance with the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. And still, they can't discriminate an application unless the conviction materially compromises the applicants ability to perform the job. (As I';m aware anyway)

Reply 4

fais

15

Do cautions even count? That is, they enter into any sort of record that can be checked?

Plus, don't minor things like this tend to get wiped (or otherwise 'spent') after a certain period of time?

Reply 5

st8_of_mind

OP

That's good :smile:

Although she has checked online and apparently you do disclose it, or at least some employers check it if it's relevant... CRB check or something.

Handling money? Would that be classed as relevant?

Reply 6

dandan

1

Trust is the key thing in banks, small lies can lead to big losses - i.e Barings bank, Nick Leeson only lost 100k to start off with but the lies built up to destroy the bank. Probably not a good thing to put on the CV but they will check. Its all about signalling, it signals she can't be trusted, sorry but it is sure to go against her.

Reply 7

st8_of_mind

OP

Jurisprude

It depends. Firstly, I don't think cautions have to be declared, anyway, with employment convicitons only have to be declared if the organisation asks for it, and then they can only ask for the information in accordance with the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act. And still, they can't discriminate an application unless the conviction materially compromises the applicants ability to perform the job. (As I';m aware anyway)

I think some employers can check it though. Like hospitals and such :s-smilie:

fais

Do cautions even count? That is, they enter into any sort of record that can be checked?

Plus, don't minor things like this tend to get wiped (or otherwise 'spent') after a certain period of time?

They are counted as a criminal record, yes. But apparently you don't need to declare it if it says "convictions".

I don't know about the spent thing... :frown:

she's in her first year at uni so I don't think it'll be spent when she applies for a job...

Reply 8

SevenDeuceOff

14

dandan

Trust is the key thing in banks, small lies can lead to big losses - i.e Barings bank, Nick Leeson only lost 100k to start off with but the lies built up to destroy the bank. Probably not a good thing to put on the CV but they will check. Its all about signalling, it signals she can't be trusted, sorry but it is sure to go against her.

No shizzle, Sherlizzle.

Reply 9

dandan

1

Trust is the key thing in banks, small lies can lead to big losses - i.e Barings bank, Nick Leeson only lost 100k to start off with but the lies built up to destroy the bank. Probably not a good thing to put on the CV but they will check. Its all about signalling, it signals she can't be trusted, sorry but it is sure to go against her.

Reply 10

st8_of_mind

OP

dandan

Trust is the key thing in banks, small lies can lead to big losses - i.e Barings bank, Nick Leeson only lost 100k to start off with but the lies built up to destroy the bank. Probably not a good thing to put on the CV but they will check. Its all about signalling, it signals she can't be trusted, sorry but it is sure to go against her.

That's not good... I don't think she'll lie but would they actual do checks? I think for most job applications I've seen (although they're all saturday jobs), you only declare convictions but not cautions. I think cautions only come up if they check... think :s-smilie:

Reply 11

dandan

1

If she want to work in a bank they check everything, they must. Something like a saturday job I would be surprised if they checked, its not worth it for someone on £5.73 an hour.

Reply 12

Prudy

15

st8_of_mind

I think some employers can check it though. Like hospitals and such :s-smilie:

They are counted as a criminal record, yes. But apparently you don't need to declare it if it says "convictions".

I don't know about the spent thing... :frown:

she's in her first year at uni so I don't think it'll be spent when she applies for a job...

Basically, as I said, some employers can ask for it. Under the RoOA, however there are strict rules. I doubt veryu much whether your sisters caution will ever affect her.

Reply 13

MaxMaxMax

15

Best person for your sister to ask is probably a Careers Advisor at her Uni. If she goes to a top Uni, as you say she does, I'm sure they'll have a good careers department and someone there should have an answer.

Reply 14

st8_of_mind

OP

MaxMaxMax

Best person for your sister to ask is probably a Careers Advisor at her Uni. If she goes to a top Uni, as you say she does, I'm sure they'll have a good careers department and someone there should have an answer.

Good idea! Although I think she's too ashamed to ever admit it (couldn't even do it online! :redface:

).

Reply 15

PortfolioManager

7

I think some bank application forms it asks if you have ever been convicted for a crime, etc. ---> might lead to auto-rejection. Dont know if this includes a 'caution'.

Reply 16

Prudy

15

st8_of_mind

Good idea! Although I think she's too ashamed to ever admit it (couldn't even do it online! :redface:

).

Right, to try and put this to rest: http://www.yourrights.org.uk/faqs/criminal-records/is-a-caution-in-a-criminal-record.shtml

Reply 17

ttx

13

DeuceSevenOff

No shizzle, Sherlizzle.

You say that, but I've seen CVs which give criminal records.

In one case I recall a candidate wrote that he'd lost his driver licence after being convicted of dangerous driving because he kept driving on the pavement.