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Russia was the ussr and the ussr occupied east Germany for reasons to spy.

There's also a lot of other stuff going on like they wanted to be the First Nation to get a man on the moon beating the USA.

Also now it's Russia and there's always talks about spies, spying etc.

Everything that I've heard about the country and its history just tells me they just want power, they are very secretive.

What's your opinion?
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Russia was the ussr and the ussr occupied east Germany for reasons to spy.

There's also a lot of other stuff going on like they wanted to be the First Nation to get a man on the moon beating the USA.

Also now it's Russia and there's always talks about spies, spying etc.

Everything that I've heard about the country and its history just tells me they just want power, they are very secretive.

What's your opinion?
They didnt occupy GDR to spy.
You should read about the space race and the cold war.

Just about everyone spies, some people get caught and some people are more aggressive than others.

You should really read up about Russia so you form your opinions from a position of knowledge.

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(Original post by Aqua boy)
Russia was the ussr and the ussr occupied east Germany for reasons to spy.

There's also a lot of other stuff going on like they wanted to be the First Nation to get a man on the moon beating the USA.

Also now it's Russia and there's always talks about spies, spying etc.

Everything that I've heard about the country and its history just tells me they just want power, they are very secretive.

What's your opinion?
Its not really that they “occupied” the GDR , and definitely not for spying.
Germany had already been split, so technically the Soviet Union was already in charge of administration in East Germany. It is simply the west made west Germany a sovereign state so that it could join NATO, meaning the West could put its troops in west Germany. The GDR, or as u said occupation of east germany, really was just a response to this threat.

In terms of the desire for power, i think this could stretch back far further than the soviet union into tsarist russia and the russian empire (although then one must take into account the fact that the desire for empirical power was commonplace)

Discussing the soviet union, there actually was a policy of “socialism in one country” - one could argue that, again, the soviet union was not power hungry. For example, most non-russian states in the ussr had been a part of the russian empire before the revolution - the communist state had not conquered them themselves. And the rest of the soviet union (eastern block etc) were more taken over as a defence mechanism. The real idea of power hunger comes into effect during the cold war, where it is not just russia, but the USA as well - each were equally engaged in this race for superiority.
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Wow i feel like i wrote a damn essay up there, but i think it is unfair to say that russia is always spying or desiring power without looking at other countries or contextual information.
... interfering with elections, on the other hand, i could see where one would get that idea
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UK, USA are no different in that aspect. Look at the history, we're quick to look at Russia and others. When we point a finger, there are four that point back at us...
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There's also a lot of other stuff going on like they wanted to be the First Nation to get a man on the moon beating the USA.
Any nation would want to be the first to get a man on the moon- that is an immense achievement that would shape the history of the country. The Cold War was when tensions between the East and West were at its peak. Since then, they have gone down. I'm just pointing out this obvious fact since you do not seem to be aware of it, as you say, "There's also a lot of other stuff going on", as in it is in the present tense.


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Also now it's Russia and there's always talks about spies, spying etc.
I'm Russian and I lived there for over 12 years so I can confirm that all of that is just British propaganda. Western nations don't like Russia because of their history of opposing views. These nations, instead of letting go of the past, are more willing to continue the ongoing battle.


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Everything that I've heard about the country and its history just tells me they just want power, they are very secretive.

Every country wants power. Have you considered that maybe they are 'secretive' to you because you don't know them? You have no idea what is happening there, since you most probably have never even visited there. It is unknown and foreign to you- therefore, that makes you suspicious.
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Tis a Western perspective you have Aqua Boi
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(Original post by Aqua boy)
Russia was the ussr and the ussr occupied east Germany for reasons to spy.

There's also a lot of other stuff going on like they wanted to be the First Nation to get a man on the moon beating the USA.

Also now it's Russia and there's always talks about spies, spying etc.

Everything that I've heard about the country and its history just tells me they just want power, they are very secretive.

What's your opinion?
Really this applies to almost every nation. Every nation seeks power, soft or hard, regional or global.

It just depends on the scope with which they can exert their influence. Some are more successful than others, whilst others are confined to their regional spheres of influence. An easy example to contrast to yours is the USA. Reading up on the CIA/NSAs malpractices over the years is equally as shocking as Russian endeavours.
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That is because Russia has always been a credible threat to our way of life. Prior to the mid nineteenth century, the enemy of the UK was definitely the French, that's why we unified Ireland and assimilated them into the UK, to stop them from being a Roman Catholic ally with France. France was a glorious monarchy and historically Britain had its finger in its northern territories; there was a bitterness about this that lasted a long time. As the French became republican, the UK feared it would undermine the monarchy and union; and encourage rebellion of its colonies.

This all changed after the Napoleonic wars; at this stage Britain was becoming a power house in East Asia and North Africa; the French no longer presented a significant threat to its colonial possessions.

In comes Russia. Russia had been carving up large amounts of territories to its West and South, the Turks were still very powerful at this stage but they were also partly friendly to UK interests, in typical divide and conquer manner the UK often supported the Turks to prevent Russia from gaining a foothold in India. The Turks however had been declining rapidly and Russia had been making footholds in the Balkans. The resulting battles between Russia and the West in the Crimean War, Balkan Wars and the Great Game created huge hostility to the empire; Russia occupied Poland, Finland, had influence over Baltic states and over much of Central Asia.

Britain **** itself. WW1 helped us out a lot really, many people thought we should have allied with the Germans rather than the Russians, after all Belgium neutrality would have been respected had we joined to start with. The Russian empire collapsed much to both the delight and horror of the UK, horror because it meant that the UK was now effectively fighting the Germans on one front, delight because Russia no longer threatened its colonial empire in India.

Fast forward to the Russian Civil War. Ouch the British ****ed up and failed to restore the tsar. Incoming pissed off Russians occupy the South again.

I could go on forever but it is basically this: Russia has always presented a risk to British influence. It's not because Russia is power hungry, sometimes it is because Russia is actually defending itself as in the Bolshevik case. It's because the British have always had opposing interests to the Russians.
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Wouldn’t be too worried. Russia has had a history of looking like it should win wars, then looking like a ****ing disaster.
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