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Before we get too deeply involved in the silly story about Elizabeth Warren having to prove through DNA testing that she is, indeed, Native American, let’s not forget something the right-wing media has allowed to drift out of everyday conversation. The man who kept demeaning Warren by calling her “Pocahontas” is the man who also tried to demean the nation’s first black president in a similar way.
Donald Trump is the face of the bigoted birtherism conspiracy theory that asserted that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States, which supposedly makes Obama a non-American. Never mind that many men such as Ted Cruz and John McCain were not born on U.S. soil, and still ran to become president of the United States. Most of the folks who believed the bigoted birtherism theory about Obama had little problem with Cruz or McCain—the issues raised about them were mostly about arcane readings of the Constitution or simply political. For Obama, it cut deeper and resonated with nearly all of the Republican Party.
If the message they sent was too subtle, here it is: White men like Cruz and McCain are automatically considered full Americans until proven otherwise. Black men like Obama are suspect, and will forever remain suspect, even when idiotic theories are debunked a thousand times over.
And for those who believed Trump’s wife, first lady Melania Trump, would be some kind of steadying force in the White House obviously missed all the times she revealed herself to believe in the bigoted birtherism theory just as much as her husband.
Yes, even a woman who was born in a foreign country and whose U.S. citizenship was granted under suspicious circumstances had the audacity to suggest that the first black president wasn’t fully American. That’s why no one should be surprised that Melania Trump declared recently that she was sending a not-so-subtle message to the media with her much-discussed jacket—something the White House denied at the time.
And even after Obama took the unprecedented step of releasing his long-form birth certificate—something none of the white presidential candidates had to—Donald Trump kept up the bigoted conspiracy theory. That’s who we are dealing with. That’s who Warren was responding to with the release of her very personal DNA results.
It’s nauseating. But it has convinced even some mainstream journalists to ignore the bigotry of Trump’s gambit and instead try to turn this into a question about Warren’s history.
People. Stop allowing the Trumps to lead you by the nose. They are comfortable with bigoted conspiracy theories. That doesn’t mean we have to give them credence. Neither should we allow the fast-moving 24/7 news cycle to convince us to forget that this is who they are and likely always will be.
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Donald Trump is the face of the bigoted birtherism conspiracy theory that asserted that Barack Obama wasn’t born in the United States, which supposedly makes Obama a non-American. Never mind that many men such as Ted Cruz and John McCain were not born on U.S. soil, and still ran to become president of the United States. Most of the folks who believed the bigoted birtherism theory about Obama had little problem with Cruz or McCain—the issues raised about them were mostly about arcane readings of the Constitution or simply political. For Obama, it cut deeper and resonated with nearly all of the Republican Party.
If the message they sent was too subtle, here it is: White men like Cruz and McCain are automatically considered full Americans until proven otherwise. Black men like Obama are suspect, and will forever remain suspect, even when idiotic theories are debunked a thousand times over.
And for those who believed Trump’s wife, first lady Melania Trump, would be some kind of steadying force in the White House obviously missed all the times she revealed herself to believe in the bigoted birtherism theory just as much as her husband.
Yes, even a woman who was born in a foreign country and whose U.S. citizenship was granted under suspicious circumstances had the audacity to suggest that the first black president wasn’t fully American. That’s why no one should be surprised that Melania Trump declared recently that she was sending a not-so-subtle message to the media with her much-discussed jacket—something the White House denied at the time.
And even after Obama took the unprecedented step of releasing his long-form birth certificate—something none of the white presidential candidates had to—Donald Trump kept up the bigoted conspiracy theory. That’s who we are dealing with. That’s who Warren was responding to with the release of her very personal DNA results.
It’s nauseating. But it has convinced even some mainstream journalists to ignore the bigotry of Trump’s gambit and instead try to turn this into a question about Warren’s history.
People. Stop allowing the Trumps to lead you by the nose. They are comfortable with bigoted conspiracy theories. That doesn’t mean we have to give them credence. Neither should we allow the fast-moving 24/7 news cycle to convince us to forget that this is who they are and likely always will be.
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Why is it not grotesquely offensive for a person to pretend to be a Native American for personal gain?
The same people who are defending Warren over maybe having one ancestor in a thousand who might have been native American - are the same people who lost their minds over cultural appropriation when a white girl wore a chinese dress to her school disco?
Having one exceptionally distant ancestor maybe being Native American, does not make you Native American.
The same people who are defending Warren over maybe having one ancestor in a thousand who might have been native American - are the same people who lost their minds over cultural appropriation when a white girl wore a chinese dress to her school disco?
Having one exceptionally distant ancestor maybe being Native American, does not make you Native American.
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What a surprise, Warren was shown to be a liar but let’s not forget, Trump is the real bad guy. Could you come across as more of a partisan?
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She's clearly got no claim on being Native American. You're right that Trump says stupid stuff, but we already knew that and are reminded daily by the media, in the same way we are reminded of Brexit.
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Stopped reading at good men like Ted Cruz, Cruz is a nutter.
Stopped reading at good men like Ted Cruz, Cruz is a nutter.
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If the message they sent was too subtle, here it is: White men like Cruz and McCain are automatically considered full Americans until proven otherwise.
If the message they sent was too subtle, here it is: White men like Cruz and McCain are automatically considered full Americans until proven otherwise.
Trump repeatedly tried to say Senator Cruz wouldn't be eligible for the presidency for being Canadian-born, on top of saying the Senator's wife is ugly and that his father assassinated President Kennedy. So no, he didn't consider him full American even as people kept telling him Cruz could run for president.
And Senator McCain? Sure, the President didn't comment on the former presidential candidate's eligibility to run for president, but perhaps that's because the late-Senator wasn't running for president when the Golden Raspberry winner was. Instead, the multi-time Emmy nominee refused to acknowledge the fact that decorated veteran Captain McCain was a war hero, and even refused to pay lip service after the Purple Heart recipient's death.
His attacks on Senator Warren were in fact further examples of his mocking someone for being white.
I'm not saying he's not racist or that he's a good president or whatever, but stop making this about race, because it isn't, and it's only going to help him win in 2020.
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He's better than Trump, at least.
He's better than Trump, at least.
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or how about we hate both of them? rather then trying to deflect of each to the other.
Trumps 'birthism' - isn't good, I didn't agree with it at the time, nor do I now.
Warrens stuff - is more recent, hence more discussion of it now. The fact that she claimed when working at harvard to be of native american decent, then repeated it time and time again in interviews, that part of her family history was native american..
Then took a dodgy DNA test (dodgy because it subsituted native american DNA for columbian/peruvian/mexican), and the results were:
Between around 1/64th to 1/1024th native american...
That means that within their scope for error, she could be less native american then the average 'white' person is in the USA. (warren = 0.09 percent to 1.5 percent, the average for a white person is: 0.18 percent)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...rican-average/
Thats why people - including a lot of native americans - are ****ed off. She has abused a minorities status, for her own personal, professional and political gain.
It is (speaking as someone who doesn't like the term at all) - litteral cultural appropriation.
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The headlines are also awful: "strong evidence" has been thrown around so much - and it seems so convincing fromt he headline, that she proved trump wrong! ... until you read the articles and the results properly, and then you realise why so many people are ****ed off, and why native americans are writing angry letters/columns about this.
Trumps 'birthism' - isn't good, I didn't agree with it at the time, nor do I now.
Warrens stuff - is more recent, hence more discussion of it now. The fact that she claimed when working at harvard to be of native american decent, then repeated it time and time again in interviews, that part of her family history was native american..
Then took a dodgy DNA test (dodgy because it subsituted native american DNA for columbian/peruvian/mexican), and the results were:
Between around 1/64th to 1/1024th native american...
That means that within their scope for error, she could be less native american then the average 'white' person is in the USA. (warren = 0.09 percent to 1.5 percent, the average for a white person is: 0.18 percent)
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...rican-average/
Thats why people - including a lot of native americans - are ****ed off. She has abused a minorities status, for her own personal, professional and political gain.
It is (speaking as someone who doesn't like the term at all) - litteral cultural appropriation.
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The headlines are also awful: "strong evidence" has been thrown around so much - and it seems so convincing fromt he headline, that she proved trump wrong! ... until you read the articles and the results properly, and then you realise why so many people are ****ed off, and why native americans are writing angry letters/columns about this.
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