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After brexit, a lot of EU workers would leave the country freeing up lots of jobs for British workers in areas like farm labouring, food manufacturing and social care.

All these jobs should be done by British people so there will no longer any need for unemployment benefits.

The country could have billions and spend it on the NHS.
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In the words of Maggie thatcher “ no no no”
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In the words of Maggie thatcher “ no no no”
Get off your arse and find a job.
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After brexit, a lot of EU workers would leave the country freeing up lots of jobs for British workers in areas like farm labouring, food manufacturing and social care.

All these jobs should be done by British people so there will no longer any need for unemployment benefits.
Farm labouring is seasonal, can't build a career, food manufacturing is factory shift work, generally can't build a career, social care is highly specialised and you can't simply fill it with free people.

BTW, if you abolish the welfare system, how are you intending to give everyone their premiums back, cash cash or cash?
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Get off your arse and find a job.
How do you know whether I have a job or not?
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Yes, there may be more jobs after bexit (due to people from europe going back to their home countries). But that doesnt mean we should get rid of unemployment benefits.
People sometimes end up unemployed for a while, sometimes through no fault of their own (e.g. they may get made redundant). Unemployment benefits are there for them as a short term solution until they find another job. Most people on unemployment benefits are genuine cases.
Obviously there are the minority who abuse the system and they should be penalised. But it should not be got rid of.
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This is so, so, so narrow minded and ignorant.
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(Original post by Maker)
After brexit, a lot of EU workers would leave the country freeing up lots of jobs for British workers in areas like farm labouring, food manufacturing and social care.

All these jobs should be done by British people so there will no longer any need for unemployment benefits.

The country could have billions and spend it on the NHS.
So Port Talbot's unemployment issues will be sorted once we leave the EU? They will just go into all the farming, food manufacturing and social care jobs there?

Guessing the same is true of Campbeltown? Run amok with migrants who will up sticks and leave....

Have you not considered all the British coming back to the UK from the EU who will fill those jobs freed up?
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Farm labouring is seasonal, can't build a career, food manufacturing is factory shift work, generally can't build a career, social care is highly specialised and you can't simply fill it with free people.

BTW, if you abolish the welfare system, how are you intending to give everyone their premiums back, cash cash or cash?
Most jobs don't lead to careers and most people will never have middle class careers. Whether or not social care should be highly specialised the recruits they take at the moment are on horribly bad pay and conditions with little training.
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Yes, there may be more jobs after bexit (due to people from europe going back to their home countries). But that doesnt mean we should get rid of unemployment benefits.
People sometimes end up unemployed for a while, sometimes through no fault of their own (e.g. they may get made redundant). Unemployment benefits are there for them as a short term solution until they find another job. Most people on unemployment benefits are genuine cases.
Obviously there are the minority who abuse the system and they should be penalised. But it should not be got rid of.
This.
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(Original post by Emma:-))
Yes, there may be more jobs after bexit (due to people from europe going back to their home countries). But that doesnt mean we should get rid of unemployment benefits.
People sometimes end up unemployed for a while, sometimes through no fault of their own (e.g. they may get made redundant). Unemployment benefits are there for them as a short term solution until they find another job. Most people on unemployment benefits are genuine cases.
Obviously there are the minority who abuse the system and they should be penalised. But it should not be got rid of.
To say nothing of the 100'000s that are employed but STILL need to claim un/underemployment benefits.

Benefit fraud has long been proven to be a single digit %, utterly DWARFED by DWP's levels of internal fraud and the amount they bleed off to the private sector.

I got a look at one of the private job places accounts once, They got £300 a head every week to essentially aggravate unemployed people out of claiming their £70 a week.....it's that simple.
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BTW I've held this as a theory for a while, People on benefits have been getting it massively in the neck for years now, disabled and immigrants too. But do you know what population HASN'T yet been tapped for cheap labour for farms and factories? Students with debt they can't pay. 'Community Service' is coming....
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Yes because all the disabled people will suddenly become able bodied and/or neuro-typical and be able to work
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People start these threads under the guise of debate just to air their prejudices against people on benefits.
One of my daughters is a Senior Ward Sister on the Cardiac Ward at our local hospital. The majority of the nurses are from Eastern European countries and most have or will be returning to their own countries. The Ward, like many around the country is understaffed.
She has a bleeper where she can have to return to her Ward literally within an hour of leaving her shift.
I’ll tell her to nip down to the Job Centre and pick up a few claimants to fill the gap.
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So Port Talbot's unemployment issues will be sorted once we leave the EU? They will just go into all the farming, food manufacturing and social care jobs there?

Guessing the same is true of Campbeltown? Run amok with migrants who will up sticks and leave....

Have you not considered all the British coming back to the UK from the EU who will fill those jobs freed up?
If EU migrants can move thousands of miles, don't speak the native language and have no family support in Britain can get work and make a decent life, why can't British people move a few hundred miles to find work, its sheer laziness brought about by unemployment benefits.

There will be farmers, factory owners and service providers begging for workers soon you can just walk into a job.
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(Original post by StriderHort)
BTW I've held this as a theory for a while, People on benefits have been getting it massively in the neck for years now, disabled and immigrants too. But do you know what population HASN'T yet been tapped for cheap labour for farms and factories? Students with debt they can't pay. 'Community Service' is coming....
Graduates with massive debts should be made to work or have their benefits reduced or stopped altogether. They think they don't have to pay back their loans just because they haven't got a well paid job or unemployed but at the same time still claiming benefits.

We will be short of workers in all sorts of areas like care workers, fruit pickers after brexit and graduates on benefits should be made to do the work or lose benefits.
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Yes because all the disabled people will suddenly become able bodied and/or neuro-typical and be able to work
Disabled people get DLA or PIP.
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(Original post by StriderHort)
Farm labouring is seasonal, can't build a career, food manufacturing is factory shift work, generally can't build a career, social care is highly specialised and you can't simply fill it with free people.

BTW, if you abolish the welfare system, how are you intending to give everyone their premiums back, cash cash or cash?
Tennent farming isn’t. It’s a year-round responsibility.
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What does one do when they are no longer able to blame foreigners for their own problems and failures? Clearly they need to revert back to the other old chestnut of blaming the poor instead.
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People start these threads under the guise of debate just to air their prejudices against people on benefits.
One of my daughters is a Senior Ward Sister on the Cardiac Ward at our local hospital. The majority of the nurses are from Eastern European countries and most have or will be returning to their own countries. The Ward, like many around the country is understaffed.
She has a bleeper where she can have to return to her Ward literally within an hour of leaving her shift.
I’ll tell her to nip down to the Job Centre and pick up a few claimants to fill the gap.
British people are too lazy to get qualifications and get real jobs where they have to work rather than sit or their arse claiming benefits or wait for a glamourous career in media.

Brexit will be just the fresh start Britain needs to give all these people a good kick in the bum and tell them to get a job or starve.
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