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I am applying for Uni and want to do acting. So hard to find vocational courses I can trust. The well know places like Central are so hadr to get into. Any ideas/knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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I am applying for Uni and want to do acting. So hard to find vocational courses I can trust. The well know places like Central are so hadr to get into. Any ideas/knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Have a look on unistats. For all courses you can look at the employment stats - including the sorts of jobs graduates go into. That can give you a good idea which courses lead into an acting career and which are less likely to lead in that direction.
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I am applying for Uni and want to do acting. So hard to find vocational courses I can trust. The well know places like Central are so hadr to get into. Any ideas/knowledge would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
They are hard to get into for a reason. If you want to be a professional actor I suggest that you go to a specialist drama school rather than a university.
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They are hard to get into for a reason. If you want to be a professional actor I suggest that you go to a specialist drama school rather than a university.
There's a big variety between universities
eg Falmouth and UCA: 20% of grads in Artistic occupations (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search and https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search (although a bunch of UCA acting grads go into design jobs!)
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Man Met and AUB: 70-90% in Artistic occupations (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search and https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ) - which is a lot closer to/the same as/better than the proportions at places like Central (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ), Italia Conti (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ), LIPA (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ), Essex (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ) etc

It's possible that the types of roles that Man Met and AUB grads go into aren't quite the same level as from the older drama schools but I wouldn't rule them out completely...it's just a case of "buyer beware" and do your research properly. And they still tend to be very selective so not quite an easy ride.
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There's a big variety between universities
eg Falmouth and UCA: 20% of grads in Artistic occupations (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search and https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search (although a bunch of UCA acting grads go into design jobs!)
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Man Met and AUB: 70-90% in Artistic occupations (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search and https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ) - which is a lot closer to/the same as/better than the proportions at places like Central (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ), Italia Conti (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ), LIPA (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ), Essex (https://unistats.ac.uk/subjects/empl...eturnTo/Search ) etc

It's possible that the types of roles that Man Met and AUB grads go into aren't quite the same level as from the older drama schools but I wouldn't rule them out completely...it's just a case of "buyer beware" and do your research properly. And they still tend to be very selective so not quite an easy ride.
I think this is an area in which quality trumps quantity and therefore statistics on employment rates don't really help. Merely being employed 'in the creative industries' doesn't mean much - being an usher or working at the box office is painful if you really want to be on the stage.

I've attended a lot of Lamda and Rada productions over the past five years, and the overall gulf between the actors they produce and those from universities or what could be termed 'lesser' drama schools is very significant in my experience.

That said, top flight actors can take various routes, so I agree that people need to work out what is best for them at the time. I know someone who graduated from a university drama course, did some workshop theatre, then a couple of breakthrough one-man shows. He is now on a national tour with a reputable company. He wasn't ready before, but he is now.
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I think this is an area in which quality trumps quantity and therefore statistics on employment rates don't really help. Merely being employed 'in the creative industries' doesn't mean much - being an usher or working at the box office is painful if you really want to be on the stage.

I've attended a lot of Lamda and Rada productions over the past five years, and the overall gulf between the actors they produce and those from universities or what could be termed 'lesser' drama schools is very significant in my experience.

That said, top flight actors can take various routes, so I agree that people need to work out what is best for them at the time. I know someone who graduated from a university drama course, did some workshop theatre, then a couple of breakthrough one-man shows. He is now on a national tour with a reputable company. He wasn't ready before, but he is now.
"Artistic, literary and media occupations" (from the table at the very bottom of those pages) doesn't mean working front of house or any old job in the creative industries. It's specifically jobs that fall under:
3411 Artists
3412 Authors, writers and translators
3413 Actors, entertainers and presenters
3414 Dancers and choreographers
3415 Musicians
3416 Arts officers, producers and directors
3417 Photographers, audio-visual and broadcasting equipment operators
(so for Acting degrees it's going to be people either performing or at the very least working in performance design (lighting, sound, producing, directing etc) - not collecting tickets and picking up sweet wrappers)

As proxies go it at least allows applicants to differentiate between the courses that are vocational but based within a university (although like you say there's a variety of quality and the RADA and LAMDAs will undoubtedly have an edge) and those that are likely to result in a career teaching GCSE Drama if you're lucky.

If someone has already ruled out RADA/LAMDA (for whatever reason - they're not cheap options to even audition) then there's a lot of variety in the other options available to them and the unistats numbers do show that variety.
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"Artistic, literary and media occupations" (from the table at the very bottom of those pages) doesn't mean working front of house or any old job in the creative industries. It's specifically jobs that fall under:
3411 Artists
3412 Authors, writers and translators
3413 Actors, entertainers and presenters
3414 Dancers and choreographers
3415 Musicians
3416 Arts officers, producers and directors
3417 Photographers, audio-visual and broadcasting equipment operators
(so for Acting degrees it's going to be people either performing or at the very least working in performance design (lighting, sound, producing, directing etc) - not collecting tickets and picking up sweet wrappers)

As proxies go it at least allows applicants to differentiate between the courses that are vocational but based within a university (although like you say there's a variety of quality and the RADA and LAMDAs will undoubtedly have an edge) and those that are likely to result in a career teaching GCSE Drama if you're lucky.

If someone has already ruled out RADA/LAMDA (for whatever reason - they're not cheap options to even audition) then there's a lot of variety in the other options available to them and the unistats numbers do show that variety.
Fair point. Though in my view it's the level of performance which matters - not just being 'an actor' but playing significant roles with good companies.

I think it tends to be the likes of Lamda and Rada who do the 'ruling out' (!) and when that happens ambitious applicants have to find alternative routes. I agree that those courses which are mainly vocational are the ones to go for - and yes, this data might therefore prove useful.
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Fair point. Though in my view it's the level of performance which matters - not just being 'an actor' but playing significant roles with good companies.

I think it tends to be the likes of Lamda and Rada who do the 'ruling out' (!) and when that happens ambitious applicants have to find alternative routes. I agree that those courses which are mainly vocational are the ones to go for - and yes, this data might therefore prove useful.
absolutely - there's also a point that applicants should look at the sort of work alumni are doing - stage, tv, film, musical etc etc to understand the sorts of preparation they'll be getting. A course with an amazing record of getting graduates into tv work isn't going to be ideal if you want to work with the RSC (and vice versa).

(and finding the extra £25 for a UCAS Conservatoire application plus audition fees plus the direct application fee for RADA all payable at the point of application is a huge barrier for a lot of applicants no matter how many outreach funds are put in place the fact that they're so selective even after applicants have got past so many barriers is going to intimidate some applicants)
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absolutely - there's also a point that applicants should look at the sort of work alumni are doing - stage, tv, film, musical etc etc to understand the sorts of preparation they'll be getting. A course with an amazing record of getting graduates into tv work isn't going to be ideal if you want to work with the RSC (and vice versa).

(and finding the extra £25 for a UCAS Conservatoire application plus audition fees plus the direct application fee for RADA all payable at the point of application is a huge barrier for a lot of applicants no matter how many outreach funds are put in place the fact that they're so selective even after applicants have got past so many barriers is going to intimidate some applicants)
Yes indeed. It is only relatively recently that Lamda and Rada started doing screen acting, though the former in particular seems to be pretty good in that area now.

There are a fair few bursaries knocking around, but it's clear that many of the students aren't from hard-up families.
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