Austrian and Hungarian fascist governments shun UN pact on protecting migrants

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The Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration was approved in July by all 193 member nations except the United States, which backed out last year.

Hungary’s neo-fascist government has since said it will not sign the final document at a ceremony in Morocco in December. Poland, which has also clashed with Brussels by resisting national quotas for asylum seekers, has said it is considering the same step.

“Austria will not join the U.N. migration pact,” said Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, a conservative who governs in coalition with the far-right Freedom Party. [He is the youngest serving head of government in the world, so the far-right are probably the ones who are really in charge, taking advantage of his lack of experience and youthful gullibility].

“We view some points of the migration pact very critically, such as the mixing up of seeking protection with labor migration,” said Kurz, who argues that migrants rescued in the Mediterranean should not be brought straight to Europe.

Vienna currently holds the rotating presidency of the EU.

Vice Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache, leader of the neo-fascist party propping up Kurz's government, said Austria was concerned that the pact, though non-binding, could lead one day to a recognition of migration as a human right.

“We reject any movement in that direction,” Strache told a news conference after a cabinet meeting.

Austria took in only 1 percent of its population in asylum seekers in 2015 during a refugee crisis in which more than a million desperate people fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East, Africa and elsewhere seeked safety in Europe.

Far-right fearmongering dominated last year’s parliamentary election and helped propel Kurz’s conservatives to power. He has said he will prevent any repeat of that influx and has implemented policies that include restricting benefits for refugees.

The non-binding UN pact addresses issues such as how to protect people who migrate, how to integrate them into new countries and how to return them to their home countries.

The United Nations has hailed it as a historic and comprehensive pact that could serve as a basis for future policies.

Austria will not send an envoy to the signing ceremony in Morocco and will abstain at a U.N. General Assembly vote on the pact next year, Kurz’s office said.

In a paper this month, the Brookings Institution, a U.S. think-tank, said the pact “reflects widespread recognition, among even the most skeptical member states, that managing migration effectively is in the common interest”.

It said the deal could have far-reaching implication for more than 250 million people outside their own countries, as well as the communities that host them, but would depend greatly on implementation at the municipal level.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1N50JZ
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The problem you guys have is that most people don't want to have this open borders/no more nations project imposed, with more of them realising it by the day. Yeah, keep pushing it and we'll end up with the right in charge all over. Keep going...

Mrs Merkel won't be bowled over to get what will be her ninth academic award. She has been showered with them for most of her time as Chancellor. And now she is being honoured for her "diplomatic and political efforts to develop the political strength of Europe, and to defend the values that allow our continent to find unity in diversity".
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...sums-wrong-eu/
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Far-right fearmongering
Or 'responsible and commonsense arguments as to why mass immigration from alien cultures is a very bad idea for social and economic cohesion' as anyone not of the far left might call it.
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Open borders is fine if you have a free market economy, the migrants passed over the balkan countries because only work/land was offered, all they wanted were benefits.
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No European country wants an onslaught of migrants from the Middle East. Maybe the governments of certain countries do but most people don’t. I’m not saying that’s my opinion but it’s just what the majority seem to think.
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Good for Poland. Smart decision. The EU is being reduced to a handful of wilful countries.

I hope one day Poland and Hungary decide to leave the EU for their own sake. Handing over control of one's nation to others is never a good idea and it is morally wrong.
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Good for Poland. Smart decision. The EU is being reduced to a handful of wilful countries.

I hope one day Poland and Hungary decide to leave the EU for their own sake. Handing over control of one's nation to others is never a good idea and it is morally wrong.
Poland will leave the moment they move from a net cash receiver to a net cash giver. At least with the current government.
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Or 'responsible and commonsense arguments as to why mass immigration from alien cultures is a very bad idea for social and economic cohesion' as anyone not of the far left might call it.
Or simply ‘a differing opinion’
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'Fascist' is what Communists used to call the people they shot in the back when trying to go West over the Iron Curtain. Communist countries were always even more averse to immigration than the West ever was, for obvious reasons, and it is rich to have lefties looking down on people who don't want uncontrolled migration movements imposed on them by... well, the left? Nuts.
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Good, countries should control their own borders. Not the UN
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A modern fascist is any WHTE (and only White) person who resist open borders that seek to replace their population ie, genocide or at the very least democide. Though since there is enormous amounts of evidence this being pushed by certain 'people' then I would say yes it is a genocidal conspiracy.

Though you deny it, or support it.. because you are unwilling to confront it.
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In my day a fascist government was one that ignored the will of its people.

Apparently its the opposite now?
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Poland will leave the moment they move from a net cash receiver to a net cash giver. At least with the current government.
That's the hope. Polish government is also swinging around 40% of the vote which means they'll be able to carry out an Article 50 around 2025.
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That's the hope. Polish government is also swinging around 40% of the vote which means they'll be able to carry out an Article 50 around 2025.
And I can't wait til it happens. Selfish *******s.
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In my day a fascist government was one that ignored the will of its people.

Apparently its the opposite now?
If you try to correct someone, it is best not to be absolutely clueless of the issue yourself.

Fascism is fundamentally an ideology that sees nation-states (or similar concepts that can be proxies for nation-states, such as ethnicities), as enemies in a Darwinian struggle of survival; and therefore decides that everything should be subservient to the state - from citizens (hence authoritarianism), to society (hence propaganda), to economy (hence nationalisation, autarky, and opposition to free markets) - and will go to any length to fight what they see as a war for their existence (hence Total Warfare, violence, and genocide).

Fascism is not necessarily against the will of the people - and conversely, an ideology being popular does not mean it isn't fascist.
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And I can't wait til it happens. Selfish *******s.
you mean wonderful people.
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The Global Compact for Safe, Orderly and Regular Migration was approved in July by all 193 member nations except the United States, which backed out last year.

Hungary’s neo-fascist government has since said it will not sign the final document at a ceremony in Morocco in December. Poland, which has also clashed with Brussels by resisting national quotas for asylum seekers, has said it is considering the same step.


According to the EU data, only 4 out of 10 migrants are refugees.

Also you can very well get an asylium in Poland:

Move legally, and apply, or ask boarder officers for help, and then apply- you have to prepare for the fact that the authorities will like to check if your documents are genuine, you don't have criminal records and you don't carry HIV or other illnesses that can be dangerous to the local inhabitants.


European countries, maybe except for Russia, don't have a problem with refugees. They have a problem because some of them encouraged people outside Europe to move here illegally.

(Original post by AngeryPenguin)
If you try to correct someone, it is best not to be absolutely clueless of the issue yourself.

Fascism is fundamentally an ideology that sees nation-states (or similar concepts that can be proxies for nation-states, such as ethnicities), as enemies in a Darwinian struggle of survival; and therefore decides that everything should be subservient to the state - from citizens (hence authoritarianism), to society (hence propaganda), to economy (hence nationalisation, autarky, and opposition to free markets) - and will go to any length to fight what they see as a war for their existence (hence Total Warfare, violence, and genocide).

Fascism is not necessarily against the will of the people - and conversely, an ideology being popular does not mean it isn't fascist.
By this definition, the current Hungarian government is NOT fascits. There are many bad things about it, but it just isn't.

The current Polish could, technically, be called Nazi, because it's a national-socialist government, but apart from slightly nationalist scent and socialist policy it has nothing to do with Hitler's German Nazis.
It's incompetent, yes. It's populist, yes. It's even stupid, but has nothing to do with your definition of fascism and nothing to do but said things with historical Nazis. If you say different, it only means you've no idea what is actually happening.
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