Proposition : Ban Sharia courts in the UK

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Why should some religious Muslims be able to lay out their own version of the law, and rule on cases?

They should have no power or jurisdiction whatsoever over people in the UK, was shocked when I found out they still operate?

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Not bothered.
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Source they still operate?
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Well giving the most xenophobic an anti-equality group right to judicate must surely end up well
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Yes, those courts need to be eradicated. Barbaric, violent, backwards and discriminatory Sharia should not be allowed to operate in a nation whose own legal system disallows many of Sharia’s doctrines.
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Source they still operate?
https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/21/preac...laims-8059415/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...al-report.html

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018...rriages-uk-law

Universally accepted they exist
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Not bothered.
there are women, and honest people fearing the judgement of these so called courts and their rulings....
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Yes, those courts need to be eradicated. Barbaric, violent, backwards and discriminatory Sharia should not be allowed to operate in a nation whose own legal system disallows many of Sharia’s doctrines.
How did you survive on TSR for so long?
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Thanks.

Of course these should not be allowed to exist.
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Was just thinking to myself why the Government continues to allow these courts and not abolish them....??
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DGAF : Best of luck telling people they can't set house rules

If they have no power or jurisdiction...why would you care? or feel a right to intervene?

(Churches do the same btw)
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There was a petition called Close down the Sharia court and ban the Sharia law it only recieved 50k signatures...
The government replied and said these courts were ILLEGAL!
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Is that what they do, or is that just what you think they do...?
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There was a petition called Close down the Sharia court and ban the Sharia law it only recieved 50k signatures...
The government replied and said these courts were ILLEGAL!
illegal?
Muslim Arbitration Tribunal, one of a range of services (Islamic Sharia Council is another) for Muslims who wish to resolve disputes without recourse to the courts system
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Is that what they do, or is that just what you think they do...?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8064796.html

I know its not ideal for liberals who don't want to accept any negative aspects of any religion....
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DGAF : Best of luck telling people they can't set house rules

If they have no power or jurisdiction...why would you care? or feel a right to intervene?

(Churches do the same btw)
err you feel the right to intervene, where law is taken into their own hands, to sometimes forcefully marry in these courts, while not under UK law, where women are afforded few rights, where many aspects are not compatible with UK law - this is where you feel the right to intervene
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err you feel the right to intervene, where law is taken into their own hands, to sometimes forcefully marry in these courts, while not under UK law, where women are afforded few rights, where many aspects are not compatible with UK law - this is where you feel the right to intervene
Nah. If it's not a real court backed by the crown who cares? People take the law into their own hands because they are criminals. That's not an issue unique to Sharia, Churches or house rules, they have no authority to compel anyone to anything whatsoever. If you take issue with way certain perople treat others then take aim at that, but trying to ban people setting house rules isn't going to happen. You'd kick up FK if you couldn't set rules at home.

Neighbourhood watch, sharia law, residents association, rules on a sign at a pool hall, house meeting...there's no difference in authority, and you've the same zero chance of banning them.
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Oddly this puts me in mind of the outrage people have over the Bilderberg Group meetings...a bunch of super rich movers'n'shakers getting together to discuss things.....and theres always a cry that it shouldn't be allowed, it should be protested, it should allow reporters, it must provide records ect...and they seem totally unaware they are essentially campaigning to ban people talking in a room :rolleyes:
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(Original post by StriderHort)
Nah. If it's not a real court backed by the crown who cares? People take the law into their own hands because they are criminals. That's not an issue unique to Sharia, Churches or house rules, they have no authority to compel anyone to anything whatsoever. If you take issue with way certain perople treat others then take aim at that, but trying to ban people setting house rules isn't going to happen. You'd kick up FK if you couldn't set rules at home.

Neighbourhood watch, sharia law, residents association, rules on a sign at a pool hall, house meeting...there's no difference in authority, and you've the same zero chance of banning them.
true in princple.

not true, when many many muslims look to these courts above all else, with very real personal consequences for those involved, forced marriage, dissolving unions, they are so much more widespread and the consequences to the individual far more significant... cannot really be compared to house rules....
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(Original post by BlueIndigoViolet)
true in princple.

not true, when many many muslims look to these courts above all else, with very real personal consequences for those involved, forced marriage, dissolving unions, they are so much more widespread and the consequences to the individual far more significant... cannot really be compared to house rules....
IMO looking to these 'courts' is pretty damn stupid but if people really WANT to, I can't stop them, The Shaira has no legal authority to marry or dissolve any legit unions other than ones they make up. There is nothing legally stopping anyone opting out.

If you want to talk about some of the seriously dodgy choices they've made, or the things people have done because they think it's ok, or the way they've treated people that try to leave...that's another matter, i'm with you. But these things are already crimes, and Shaira has never had any exemption from this. It's EXACTLY comparable to house rules, you cannot stop people declaring rules consentually among themselves.
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