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https://www.zdf.de/dokumentation/zdf...schee-100.html

Loosely translated the intro: "These dirty German government departments, that don't dare come in here because they have nothing on us, may Allah destroy them here and in the afterworld."

But nothing wrong with Islam, just individuals. A huge assortment of individuals.
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So?
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Funny how the left labels everything "hate speech", but actual hate speech is ignored.
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Funny how the left labels everything "hate speech", but actual hate speech is ignored.
A sizeable part of what is now classed as "hate speech" by some is merely reasonable criticism, while there are passages of religious texts that are clearly genuine "hate speech" but get a free pass.

Also, it is funny how two completely different things like "socialism" and "****wittery" are now grouped under the term "the left". ****wittery is not restricted to those with left-leaning politics, so we should stop conflating the two. If someone holds a position because they are a ****wit, and that position has nothing to do with socialism, call them a "****wit", not "the left". I am of "the left" but have no time for such ****wittery.
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We actually need protection from the security services.
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A sizeable part of what is now classed as "hate speech" by some is merely reasonable criticism, while there are passages of religious texts that are clearly genuine "hate speech" but get a free pass.

Also, it is funny how two completely different things like "socialism" and "****wittery" are now grouped under the term "the left". ****wittery is not restricted to those with left-leaning politics, so we should stop conflating the two. If someone holds a position because they are a ****wit, and that position has nothing to do with socialism, call them a "****wit", not "the left". I am of "the left" but have no time for such ****wittery.
There are two dimensions. Imo socialism refers more to the economic dimension. The "left" refers to those that consider themselves socially on the left, you know the ones that consider themselves "progressive". At least that is how I understand it. I mean if you are for socialist aspects like heavy government intervention in the market, but believe say gay marriage should be banned, what are you?
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We actually need protection from the security services.
Do we?
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I mean if you are for socialist aspects like heavy government intervention in the market, but believe say gay marriage should be banned, what are you?
A bit of a [email protected]?
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A bit of a [email protected]?
Is that a political orientation?
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So?
You don't care that there is an enormous fifth column operating within the borders of multiple Euopean countries?
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A sizeable part of what is now classed as "hate speech" by some is merely reasonable criticism, while there are passages of religious texts that are clearly genuine "hate speech" but get a free pass.

Also, it is funny how two completely different things like "socialism" and "****wittery" are now grouped under the term "the left". ****wittery is not restricted to those with left-leaning politics, so we should stop conflating the two. If someone holds a position because they are a ****wit, and that position has nothing to do with socialism, call them a "****wit", not "the left". I am of "the left" but have no time for such ****wittery.
Being a neo-Nazi has nothing to do with free market economics yet both are labelled as being on the right; for whatever reason fascism has become seen as far right and ‘progressives’ have become seen as far left, it seems there’s now a second scale which independent of socio-economics.
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Being a neo-Nazi has nothing to do with free market economics yet both are labelled as being on the right; for whatever reason fascism has become seen as far right and ‘progressives’ have become seen as far left, it seems there’s now a second scale which independent of socio-economics.
You have that wrong. Both neo-Naziism and free-market capitalism are politically right-wing, although they are not necessarily connected - although I'm sure that most neo-Nazis favour FMC rather than a centrally-planned economy.
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You have that wrong. Both neo-Naziism and free-market capitalism are politically right-wing, although they are not necessarily connected - although I'm sure that most neo-Nazis favour FMC rather than a centrally-planned economy.
Could you give another example of two things that are in the same position on a scale but having nothing to do with each other? Your suggestion that they can both considered far right is ridiculous and would give a rather ambiguous meaning to the term far right; does it mean free market or does it mean has the Jews?

What makes you sure that neo-Nazis would prefer a free market? The actual Nazis, the people that they look up to, had a very centralised all powerful government, the antithesis of free market capitalism.
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Your suggestion that they can both considered far right
Except I didn't. I said they are "politically right-wing". No mention of "far-right".

What makes you sure that neo-Nazis would prefer a free market?
First, I said "most". Second, I said "prefer free market capitalism to a centrally planned economy".
I'm sure of that because of the socio-political nature of neo-Nazis. To be fair, they probably wouldn't understand either and would have to have them explained in simple terms like "Commie or Trump?", in which case, we both know which they would pick.

The actual Nazis, the people that they look up to, had a very centralised all powerful government, the antithesis of free market capitalism.
Ah, but you said Neo-Nazis. They do not share the socialist policies of the original Nazis, only their hatred of Jews, gays, ethnic minorities, etc.
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Ah, but you said Neo-Nazis. They do not share the socialist policies of the original Nazis, only their hatred of Jews, gays, ethnic minorities, etc.
Where are you sourcing this information on the ‘social-political’ nature of neo-Nazis? You seem to have just decided that they would prefer free market capitalism with no real reason.

Again, where are you sourcing your information from on neo-Nazis, how do you know they only share the hatred side of the Nazi party but nothing else?
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Where are you sourcing this information on the ‘social-political’ nature of neo-Nazis? You seem to have just decided that they would prefer free market capitalism with no real reason.

Again, where are you sourcing your information from on neo-Nazis, how do you know they only share the hatred side of the Nazi party but nothing else?
No. Fair enough. You're right.
Neo-Nazis could just as easily be socialists who favour a centrally planned economy, as right-wingers who favour free-market capitalism. There is nothing from their behaviour that would suggest they don't reject the hatred of Jews, etc and instead embrace the Nazis' ethos of social infrastructure regeneration.
My mistake. I won't bother you again.
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No. Fair enough. You're right.
Neo-Nazis could just as easily be socialists who favour a centrally planned economy, as right-wingers who favour free-market capitalism. There is nothing from their behaviour that would suggest they don't reject the hatred of Jews, etc and instead embrace the Nazis' ethos of social infrastructure regeneration.
My mistake. I won't bother you again.
Where did I say that they don’t hate Jews? You seem to pretty keen on calling people out for not quoting exactly what you say yet you’re happy to do it to others.

My point is that you have no basis to say that neo-nazis have only retained the hatred parts and ditched the other social elements that were seen in Nazi Germany.
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