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I honestly do believe we will end up remaining. May's deal shows exactly how Brexit is impossible. No matter the compromise, you simply cannot unite the Brexiters under one deal.

Remainers have always maintained just that, they remain. Some may want more integration, but we know that's a minority view (That is, not many people would want to adopt the Euro etc). But for remaining, maintaining the status quo is something we can all agree on and was clear at the referendum.

Brexiters on the other hand are destroying themselves because there will never be a deal that satisfies both. They did not have a clear plan at the referendum, there was no cohesive plan when Article 50 was invoked. Simply put, as we have been saying for 2 years now, people who voted Leave did so with so many variations on what is ideal, with some proclaiming 'Leave means Leave', others saying 'nah that's not what I wanted etc'. It's quite striking actually this is the major reason we find ourselves where we are now.

So much for Cameron uniting the party eh.
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(Original post by It's****ingWOODY)
If Brexit in any form is still what the majority want, then that's what should happen, as unfortunate as that outcome would likely be.
Well surely we have to actually experience what brexit is like before we can decide, not just what the fearmongers say.
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Wow it's utterly laughable watching all the stooge EU campaign activist aliases working here. COnstant bleating about second referendums and how great it would be to over turn BrExit.Students aren't so thick and stupid as to fall for all this blatant propaganda and social media brainwashing I'm sure. It's actually hugely insulting imho.May is a Remainiac so was only ever going to do whatever her EU masters told her to do. She's simply engaged in a sideshow which aims to delay and delay and delay as long as possible. This deal was never going to fly, she knew that but it's all one big game, to delay everything.British politics and Britain is owned and run by the EU. May needs to go but we need in her place a Tory willing to stand up and take the hard decision and to get BrExit done.Out means out, totally, completely. Nothing else will suffice.BrExit must mean:The UK restores its sovereignty and nationalityThe UK ceases to be under the control of the EU in EVERY aspectThe UK ceases to be under the control of the ECJ in every aspectThe UK is free to restore its own rules, laws and to restore its constitution which has been trampled on by a succession of fraudulent politicians spanning 40 years.There will be NO SECOND REFENDUM.To do so would be to admit that the UK has no democracy and when that happens anarchy will reign and spread like wild fire . . . . and rightly so. If these corrupt politicians and EU stooges are going to destroy democracy, which our grandparents fought for and gave their lives for, then the country must descend into revolution, the likes of which have never been seen before.I've said all along, a "No Deal" BrExit is the only way to get this done. It needs to happen and happen quickly. It's the only way people are going to take it seriously and actually then put effort towards sorting the aftermath out.Right now we are watching an orchestrated pantomine, a complete farce as the EU puppet politicians dance to Juncker's tune and stall for as long as they can. We need a new Tory leader. One prepared to do what the UK public asked them to do. To get us out of the EU, totally and completely.Get it done.
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I always thought that the cleverest thing a pro-EU PM, tasked with delivering Brexit, could do is frustrate the negotiation process and deliver a soft Brexit; revealing this at the last minute. The Brexiteers then have two options -- to accept a very closely allied union post-Brexit or go the no deal route.

The ensuing chaos would then lead to a nice little "Wait, might we not just stay in?" option emerging, for what is the point in leaving if we are still going to be so closely allied and we don't wanna risk having no deal.
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Brexit smells of wee

:hahaha: brexit :007:
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(Original post by Notoriety)
I always thought that the cleverest thing a pro-EU PM, tasked with delivering Brexit, could do is frustrate the negotiation process and deliver a soft Brexit; revealing this at the last minute. The Brexiteers then have two options -- to accept a very closely allied union post-Brexit or go the no deal route.

The ensuing chaos would then lead to a nice little "Wait, might we not just stay in?" option emerging, for what is the point in leaving if we are still going to be so closely allied and we don't wanna risk having no deal.
Actually of the 3 no deal is what I'd go for, at least that way we'd be out.
Saying that though the current deal on offer would be my last choice.
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(Original post by the bear)
Brexit smells of wee

:hahaha: brexit :007:
Brexit is James Bond? Other than that a most in-depth and succinct insight







Into the mind of an educated and vastly more intelligent than I , or indeed any other leaver, remainer.
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(Original post by ColinDent)
Actually of the 3 no deal is what I'd go for, at least that way we'd be out.
Saying that though the current deal on offer would be my last choice.
And for the majority of the British public, they are wise enough to realise just how disastrous no deal would be for the UK. And they have a real life and a family, such that they cannot risk their future financial security and general security for the sake of a fanciful political ideology.

We wouldn't be out of our relationship, anyhow. If that is what you want, you just wouldn't get it. We have have the WTO Agreement which binds us to the EU and every other country; we have the Council of Europe and all its associated treaties which we would rely on if we got no deal, for example in relation to extradition and mutual legal assistance. The idea that we would have no responsibilities is just a myth and it is based on having no familiarity with international law.
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Loving the generalisation, only a brain dead muppet wouldn't know what leaving would entail. No deal is what I want and hope we get it.
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(Original post by Notoriety)
And for the majority of the British public, they are wise enough to realise just how disastrous no deal would be for the UK. And they have a real life and a family, such that they cannot risk their future financial security and general security for the sake of a fanciful political ideology.

We wouldn't be out of our relationship, anyhow. If that is what you want, you just wouldn't get it. We have have the WTO Agreement which binds us to the EU and every other country; we have the Council of Europe and all its associated treaties which we would rely on if we got no deal, for example in relation to extradition and mutual legal assistance. The idea that we would have no responsibilities is just a myth and it is based on having no familiarity with international law.
What are you going on about? We will not have to give any of those organisations billions of pounds a year and we will be able to strike up new trade deals that can include services in which we excel ( unlike any we have had within the EU).
No deal isn't my preferred option but a clean break would be better than however many years of uncertainty we would have being stuck in limbo, what good do you think that would do for our businesses?
And staying in is not an option for me
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(Original post by random_matt)
Loving the generalisation, only a brain dead muppet wouldn't know what leaving would entail. No deal is what I want and hope we get it.
And by implication, my generalisation is ridiculous because you're an eminently bright individual.

Not a brain dead muppet. Just not someone who spends a lot of time thinking about the substance of treaties and how much we rely on them for our day-to-day functioning. Most people don't spend a lot of time thinking about this because their life is occupied by doing other things.

If you want no deal and think we would be better off by it, and you do spend a lot of time thinking about international law, you are someone who is intellectually deficient.
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farcical. If there is a second referendum it undermines the democratic process and will cause anarchy. If democracy is abandoned, then every facet of democracy is abandoned, including law and order. Oust Mrs May. Grove as prime minister. Declare no deal and we have 130 days to prepare. Under no circumstances hold a general election. One thing i've learned is socialists love nothing more than being in power.
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(Original post by anythinggoeshe)
farcical. If there is a second referendum it undermines the democratic process and will cause anarchy. If democracy is abandoned, then every facet of democracy is abandoned, including law and order. Oust Mrs May. Grove as prime minister. Declare no deal and we have 130 days to prepare. Under no circumstances hold a general election. One thing i've learned is socialists love nothing more than being in power.
You mean Gove? He is a slimy chameleon like May.
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(Original post by random_matt)
You mean Gove? He is a slimy chameleon like May.
what would you suggest?
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Although I dont agree with what is happening and I surely don't agree eye to eye with May. However, I have utmost respect for her as she is staying strong through all of the chaos that is happening. Shes been dealing with this for two years and two ministers resigned today also. She has the weight of the whole country on her shoulders. I would not be able to deal I think I would really panic with the pressure. Like while other ministers are just resigning and quitting when things get a bit tough but she wants to stay until the end of it! Props to her on that.
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(Original post by anythinggoeshe)
farcical. If there is a second referendum it undermines the democratic process and will cause anarchy. If democracy is abandoned, then every facet of democracy is abandoned, including law and order. Oust Mrs May. Grove as prime minister. Declare no deal and we have 130 days to prepare. Under no circumstances hold a general election. One thing i've learned is socialists love nothing more than being in power.
I enjoy how hard you work to avoid hyperbole.
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I enjoy how hard you work to avoid hyperbole.
what?
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You're right. The current Parliament is useless. But if they can somehow find a way to cancel Brexit for us then they're the best.
If Brexit doesn't happen then sure it may seem good, but the vote went to remain in what was supposed to be a democratic referendum.

If that referendum and outcome is ignored then it is totally undemocratic.
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Loving the generalisation, only a brain dead muppet wouldn't know what leaving would entail. No deal is what I want and hope we get it.
We won't. The question is whether we get a deal before the end of March, or after a few weeks of chaos in April and May. The latter will inevitably mean more concessions to the EU. Anyone who seriously thinks No Deal will be a viable permanent state of affairs is delusional.
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(Original post by anythinggoeshe)
farcical. If there is a second referendum it undermines the democratic process and will cause anarchy. If democracy is abandoned, then every facet of democracy is abandoned, including law and order. Oust Mrs May. Grove as prime minister. Declare no deal and we have 130 days to prepare. Under no circumstances hold a general election. One thing i've learned is socialists love nothing more than being in power.
Gove doesn't want no deal, at least not in the short term. He wants a soft Brexit as a temporary solution until we've actually had time to prepare for "no deal" a few years down the line.
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