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Do unis prefer private/state schools?
I know grades etc matter, but does the type of school you go to matter a lot?
Would I have more chances of getting in from a state or a private school?
I know traditionally they favour private, but I've heard that they are being forced to take more state pupils, regardless of grades. How true is this?
I am asking because I may be going to a state sixth form, and wondered about this.
Also: when they say pupils from a state school, does that mean the school they most recently attended, or do they look at other schools you have been to before?
Would I have more chances of getting in from a state or a private school?
I know traditionally they favour private, but I've heard that they are being forced to take more state pupils, regardless of grades. How true is this?
I am asking because I may be going to a state sixth form, and wondered about this.
Also: when they say pupils from a state school, does that mean the school they most recently attended, or do they look at other schools you have been to before?
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No Future
I know grades etc matter, but does the type of school you go to matter a lot?
Would I have more chances of getting in from a state or a private school?
I know traditionally they favour private, but I've heard that they are being forced to take more state pupils, regardless of grades. How true is this?
Would I have more chances of getting in from a state or a private school?
I know traditionally they favour private, but I've heard that they are being forced to take more state pupils, regardless of grades. How true is this?
If there are two pupils with identical grades etc but one went to state school and the other went to independant then the state school pupil will get in. If there are two pupils with different grades etc, one slightly better than the other with the superior pupil belonging to an independant school and the other coming from a state school the state school pupil will get in.
an Siarach
If there are two pupils with identical grades etc but one went to state school and the other went to independant then the state school pupil will get in. If there are two pupils with different grades etc, one slightly better than the other with the superior pupil belonging to an independant school and the other coming from a state school the state school pupil will get in.
Most people on here will tell you that's not true.
There's all kinds of theories as to what type of schools unis prefer. There are arguments that they prefer private school pupils, but there are just as many suggestions that they want to accept as many state schoolers as possible as they get more money from the government. I don't think anyone really knows for sure. To be honest though, I wouldnt think that most places care too much. It is grades that count, not what school you went to.
jumpunderaboat
Most people on here will tell you that's not true.
Then most people on here must be totally ignorant of the fact that positive discrimination in favour of state school pupils is a policy.
~Sam~
It is grades that count, not what school you went to.
Exactly, people should get in on merit.
an Siarach
Then most people on here must be totally ignorant of the fact that positive discrimination in favour of state school pupils is a policy.
If one achieves AAA and the other AAB then they will chose the AAA everytime, however as I'm sure you're aware people aren't put 'one on one' in uni applications.
an Siarach
If there are two pupils with identical grades etc but one went to state school and the other went to independant then the state school pupil will get in.
maybe
an Siarach
If there are two pupils with different grades etc, one slightly better than the other with the superior pupil belonging to an independant school and the other coming from a state school the state school pupil will get in.
maybe not
jumpunderaboat
If one achieves AAA and the other AAB then they will chose the AAA everytime, however as I'm sure you're aware people aren't put 'one on one' in uni applications.
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Universities must accept a certain percentage of their overall intake from state schools and face punishment should this benchmark not be met. Thus if you have a university with an intake of 1,000 per year perhaps 10% must be from state schools/lower economic background. You can have 950 AAA students from public schools but should there be 100 applicants with AAB from state schools then 50 of the better qualified public school students will lose out to state school pupils with lesser grades.
An example of this system in operation is SOAS which was did not meet its benchmark figure for state school entry and was punished for this. SOAS then lowered its entry requirements for state school applicants to meet the benchmark yet this resulted in a greatly increased dropout rate which resulted in the institution being punished again. Its an absolute nonsense and 'positive' discrimination is ridiculous.
The info on the SOAS example came from here .
No Future
I agree, they SHOULD, but I was asking whether they did
Almost always yes although some get in because theyve had the good fortune to be born into a working class family or sent to a state school or live in an area which doesnt traditionally send people to University which allows you to get in on the premise that you 'coulda,woulda,shoulda' done better if fate had only been kinder.
In my opinion, although it is currently in vogue to favour state schools, Universities really do have a deep-rooted favouritism of private school students. This can be viewed by how they repeatedly emphasise the value of roles such as 'Head Boy' and DofE awards etc, and yet part-time jobs recieve such little merit it is appalling. The top private schools in particular simply prepare candidates almost perfectly for university life- the focus on extracurricular activities and extending their academic studies simply can't be achieved in most state schools.
The thing is admissions at the top end are so competitive that private and state applicants go forward with equal grades etc. I personally think that positive discrimination is fine as long as it is backed up with real credibility. There needs to be something tangilbe to pin it to. Quote one admissions tutor "Well you just read the personal statements submitted by some of these private school kids and laugh. Then you realise they got A*s in English. And you have to lose faith in the exam system'.
The thing is admissions at the top end are so competitive that private and state applicants go forward with equal grades etc. I personally think that positive discrimination is fine as long as it is backed up with real credibility. There needs to be something tangilbe to pin it to. Quote one admissions tutor "Well you just read the personal statements submitted by some of these private school kids and laugh. Then you realise they got A*s in English. And you have to lose faith in the exam system'.
an Siarach
Almost always yes although some get in because theyve had the good fortune to be born into a working class family or sent to a state school or live in an area which doesnt traditionally send people to University which allows you to get in on the premise that you 'coulda,woulda,shoulda' done better if fate had only been kinder.
dont you think these people deserve a chance?
most unis only have to take say 10% from these places, and the 10% they do take are students that get AAA or better
an Siarach
Almost always yes although some get in because theyve had the good fortune to be born into a working class family or sent to a state school or live in an area which doesnt traditionally send people to University which allows you to get in on the premise that you 'coulda,woulda,shoulda' done better if fate had only been kinder.
How you can say it's good fortune to be 'unfortunate' is well...
But you have to admit that at least occasinally people don't do aswell as they would of due to the situation they have been born into.
chats
dont you think these people deserve a chance?
most unis only have to take say 10% from these places, and the 10% they do take are students that get AAA or better
most unis only have to take say 10% from these places, and the 10% they do take are students that get AAA or better
If theyve earnt the chance then they will get it without any favours to put them in ahead of those who have actually achieved what they claim they could have.
jumpunderaboat
How you can say it's good fortune to be 'unfortunate' is well...
But you have to admit that at least occasinally people don't do aswell as they would of due to the situation they have been born into.
But you have to admit that at least occasinally people don't do aswell as they would of due to the situation they have been born into.
I think its an incredibly bigoted thing to state anyone born into a working class family is 'unfortunate' as you say. Yes people can undoubtedly claim they wouldve done better if circumstances had been different - i count myself as one of them - but at the end of the day i have NOT achieved what i believe myself to be capable of and thus those who HAVE done so should certainly be granted the admission they have earnt. If for whatever reason you couldnt achieve what you should have in school you can do so in college and thus gain access to university. There is NO excuse for this anymore; anyone capable of achieving and in posession of the will to do so WILL do so.
chats
I think they deserve a favour 
For gods sake WHY? If theyre incapable of earning their own way into university then they are simply lacking the required ability,ambition or determination.
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