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I am a devout socialist, following the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Corbyn, and want to install a socialist republic in my current monarchist country. Does anyone have any ideas how to enact this? Thanks bye
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Run up the national debt to untenable levels. Encourage the rest of the developed world to do the same. An eventual global default will be inevitable. When That happens, necessary infrastructures will begin to collapse. The lack of food, fuel, and critical services will create desperation.

That will open the door for government to nationalize industries and seize property. Socialism is inherently evil. The only way to get free and educated people to accept it in mass is to create a situation in which it is necessary for survival.
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Guns.
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I am a 14 year old that doesn't really understand socialism but apparantly I get free stuff
You could start by moving to Venezuela.
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Finish school first lol.
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Send a strongly worded letter to your local mp
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Just keep democracy going and in long term, new governments will be more and more socialist over time.
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Socialism is basically theft, your rightful money is all taken from someone who hasn't worked as hard... I'm guessing you read The inspector calls, because i am 14 and we are reading the inspector calls and the majority receive a biased opinion between capitalism and socialism. Ngl , capitalism is imperfect but socialism is deluded...
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I am a devout socialist, following the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Corbyn, and want to install a socialist republic in my current monarchist country. Does anyone have any ideas how to enact this? Thanks bye
To actually answer your question, in no good order:
You have to become a public figure in some way, this might mean you have to diverge into capitalism to gain money which can be turned into fame. But the ends justify the means when it comes to revolution
You should focus all the content you put on your socials regarding the positives of socialism.
Do something outrageously socialist to grab attention on the news.
Try to get followers or supporters from other countries.
Organize rallies with your followers on a monthly basis and ensure these rallies are not disruptive or destructive.
Condemn all your followers who harm others for the sake of revolution.
Appear on television shows and radio broadcasts and be really kind and especially charismatic.
You will probably get lots of money from this in the end so you should distribute or give away 80% of your earnings.
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nope

ex-commie countries are converging towards capitalism. look at russia and china now vs 1989.

socialism has failed in venezuela and people are eating rotten meat to survive.

capitalism will thrive forever
Capitalism in said countries was introduced by dictatorships, as the leaders of those countries realized the centrally-planned economy isn't working. Same was in Poland, the most liberal, free-market law was introduced in the late 80ies during the rule of our last communist dictator who practically abandoned communism and pushed for the reforms, while Solidarity movement was demanding practically socialist actions such as increase of pays, state-controlled decrease of prices and other nonsense which the commies already knew, are not going to help in the long term.

This is because most people do not possess a basic understanding of the economy. A government that promises to give 500 pounds of handouts is more likely to win elections than a government who says he will decrease the taxes, especially if the second says he will withdraw some handouts, even if said lowering of taxes would leave more money in people's pockets. People don't understand that money doesn't come from nothing, and even if they do, they don't care if taxes to finance handouts would strike entire economy, they only care about having 500 pounds more in their pocket, which is enough to mobilize a group of voters for elections, while others don't vote, or are divided among weaker parties who don't bribe voters that much.
People also want the state to protect them from all sorts of things, which it would not care about at all, say 100 or even 50 years ago.
In the past, if you have done many harmful things you were just stupid. Now you have laws that protect you from doing so, eg. the law that says every manual of an electric device must say that you can't expose it to water, or that you can't buy even a single pill of working sleeping medicine without doctor's prescription, while your doctor is away and you haven't slept for 3 days already.

Milton Freedman already said that all points of the 1920ies Communist Party USA were the US law by the time he was checking that, and that was already back in 1980ies.
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I mean okay look i am only 14 but here is my opinion on this ( i am not smart or anything but oh well). The reason i support Capitalism is because look, for example if we compare two jobs, being a surgeon and being a cashier. First of all to become a surgeon you need to spend at least 12 years of medical practice, it is more or less an antisocial job because of the stress and long hours. Nonetheless, if we look at a cashier, they do not need 12 years of medical practice more or less a week or so.. you see if i ( and the majority) were to pick between the two ( bearing in mind if we were in a socialist community) i would definitely pick a cashier because it is more easier and i am receiving the same pay. Okay, but in a capitalist community the surgeon would receive more than a cashier because surgical practices are a lot more harder. So we can say that there would be less surgeons which could bring a risk to the health community and so forth...
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I mean okay look i am only 14 but here is my opinion on this ( i am not smart or anything but oh well). The reason i support Capitalism is because look, for example if we compare two jobs, being a surgeon and being a cashier. First of all to become a surgeon you need to spend at least 12 years of medical practice, it is more or less an antisocial job because of the stress and long hours. Nonetheless, if we look at a cashier, they do not need 12 years of medical practice more or less a week or so.. you see if i ( and the majority) were to pick between the two ( bearing in mind if we were in a socialist community) i would definitely pick a cashier because it is more easier and i am receiving the same pay. Okay, but in a capitalist community the surgeon would receive more than a cashier because surgical practices are a lot more harder. So we can say that there would be less surgeons which could bring a risk to the health community and so forth...
That's why in socialist countries, (the East Block) engineers, doctors etc. were earning much more, and they were getting permits to buy better cars.
Sometimes it didn't matter how much money your family managed to spare to buy a car, you needed a ticket that allowed you to buy a certain model, and to get a ticket for the best models you either had to be an important party member, an engineer, a doctor and so on.
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That's why in socialist countries, (the East Block) engineers, doctors etc. were earning much more, and they were getting permits to buy better cars.
Sometimes it didn't matter how much money your family managed to spare to buy a car, you needed a ticket that allowed you to buy a certain model, and to get a ticket for the best models you either had to be an important party member, an engineer, a doctor and so on.
i mean cuba is a socialist country and they are one of the poorest countries in the world, in Capitalism the rich are giving money to the poor nonetheless in Socialism the poor are giving money to the poor.I do not know a lot about this unlike you and i am quite unintelligent but oh well...
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Judging by historical evidence, the state needs to be weakened in some way before this is possible. That weakening usually isn't brought about by an internal political party. So to a great extent a socialist revolution may have to be opportunistic. One problem today is that almost no one believes in the sort of socialism you are talking about, that of Marx and Lenin, whereas in the past it had a lot of powerful supporters in the elites of many countries. This makes it much less likely that there will ever be another socialist revolution in a major country.
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I mean Cuba is a socialist country and they are one of the poorest countries in the world, in Capitalism the rich are giving money to the poor nonetheless in Socialism the poor are giving money to the poor. I do not know a lot about this unlike you and I am quite unintelligent but oh well...
At your age no one is expected to know these things very well so don't worry, you don't have to be so self-critical.

The biggest problem with the economy in these so-called 'real-socialism' countries of the East Block, was their centrally-planned economy, which meant that it was the state administration who decided what goods have to be produced in what amount, where should they be delivered and for what prices should those be available.
On the free market, the prices are what inform entrepreneurs what to produce and sell- the more expensive something gets, the larger there is demand, the more people begin to produce because that gives profits: this allows the demand to be met by supplies and prices to be kept at a reasonable level.

In centrally-planned economy, prices are established by an administration, so you cannot get that information what is the demand for what and where, so you find it difficult to measure what should be produced or where it should be delivered. Also, the state administration is much less elastic: say there is a surplus of eggs in one village, and the lack of them in another. In the capitalist market, a guy would then buy the surplus of eggs in one village, take them to the other where there is not enough of them to meet the demand, and sell with some profit. In socialist countries, it was a real problem, as the administration was constantly finding it difficult to establish how much of what should be sent where and this really led to absurd situations such as people going many kilometers away by buses to buy eggs that were not available in local shops.

The administration was also often incompetent in many areas or acting on ideology instead of the income of factories. For example, in the 1950ies FSO- the main passenger car manufacturer in Poland started work on a small passenger car that would be cheaper to buy and run than another car they had, that was sold mainly to state-owned taxi companies, the police, and hospitals. The country leader at that time, couldn't understand 'why a worker would need a car'. In the 60ies they realised it is actually possible to make significant profits by selling cars to the west, but instead of investing significant part of that money into development, the state consumed it for other things, while the car manufacturer was effortlessly trying to convince that the lack of development will make them lag behind the Western manufacturers and end the export ultimately, while the administration most of the time was unable to understand the competition and more concerned by the fact that the needs of domestic market were not met, while the manufacturer was forced to sell cars on domestic market below the costs of production.
Similar problems were seen in all sorts of industries. For example, state agriculture companies were trying to produce certain vegetables on wrong kinds of ground. The peasants working there often knew very well it's idiotic to plant some vegetables in the place, because the ground is not suitable, but the directors had to listen to the central planners, and the central planners often had no idea where do they have what kind of ground so where are the right conditions for particular vegetables.
All this, together with the policy of full employment, which caused companies to have sometimes 4 times more staff than necessary, and demoralized workers who were not afraid of losing their job, was constantly giving the output of production being inefficient and of low quality.

But you don't have to go that far to face many socialist problems. It's always a threat to introduce social programs even in capitalist countries, because an administration tends to spend money more recklessly than private owners, and handouts can be demoralizing.
For example I was taught that if you can't earn money to support your children, you should not have any. That was good, because in order to get something I want, I know I must work, which contributes to the society and the state.
But there are many families in the West who have many children thanks to social handouts so they get things although they haven't earned to get them.
So one problem is that with social handouts you can demoralize people. The other is that, to finance social programs, you often need to raise taxes, which halts the economy as it makes work and resources more and more expensive, so less and fewer people have money left to start up their businesses, and the entrepreneurs have less and less money for investments.

This is of course just a few examples and a simplification, but it's just about the main problems.
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Tell notherners that Greggs is shut. That’ll start a revolution.
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I am a devout socialist, following the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Corbyn, and want to install a socialist republic in my current monarchist country. Does anyone have any ideas how to enact this? Thanks bye
Never be a devout anything, always question what you hear/read. Blindly following any ideology without your own critical analysis on the situation isn't gonna go well and is kinda childish. Educate yourself on the whole political spectrum and different aspects such as environmental policy, economics etc and then maybe you'd have the grounds to form a concrete ideology that you will live by/advocate for.
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Would rather pour lava in my eyes.
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i am a devout socialist, following the works of marx, engels, lenin and corbyn, and want to install a socialist republic in my current monarchist country. Does anyone have any ideas how to enact this? Thanks bye
what is this communism?
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