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OP is very transphobic.
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Oh my god. The amount of trans-militant-activist-snowflakes on TSR depresses me. Sad. Lock this guy up and throw away the key. He deserves no such surgery on the NHS. Frankly, nobody does.
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Ignoring your pathetic comment about VAT (of which I almost certainly know a hell of a lot more about than you) please provide evidence into the rights an individual has, to know exactly where their tax contribution has been used?

Because I’m sorry, you can try phoning up HMRC and demanding to trace your payment, but you’ll only be laughed in the face. You do not have a “right” to know, actually. You have a right to have a say through deomcractic processes (in theory) but that is different.

And secondly the OP’s prioritises are ****ed because what proportion of their tax payments would actually have gone to this individual’s operation? Or even towards any prisoners gender-realignment surgery? It’s laughable to make it so personal about your own “tax money”. It’s also laughable because the figures involved amass to such small sums compared to so many other concerns.

I mean even if you did just look at the NHS, the strain the likes of obesity and poor diet places far exceeds the cost of a small number of gender-reassignment surgeries.

Are you or the OP smokers, drinkers, overweight?
Hahaha It's funny how you call something pathetic just because it proves what an idiot you are. VAT is a tax, everyone pays it - it completely voids your comments on how OP doesn't pay tax! Why do you presume you know more about VAT than me? Because I'd like to remind you that it was me who reminded you about it even existing.

No, you re right, you can't call out HMRC and trace your particular payments, but that is clearly the extreme of what I was talking about. People have a right to know how taxes are being spent, hence why you see so many freedom of information acts regarding how taxation is spent - as a general collective. When people refer to 'our' or 'their' tax payers money, it is referring to the British public tax-payers money as well as theres, and the idea is that government should be spending the money they have on things that actually matter.

No, I am not a smoker or overweight, and I have never used the NHS because of a issue revolving around drinking. Looks like you lost most of your ammo there! And who says I even support NHS treatment for drinking, smoking and obesity related problems? You seem to be making a lot of assumptions because your argument, to be honest, lacks any actual punch.

Even if it is 0.0000000001% of OP's tax money that is spent on it, they should still be allowed to have an opinion on how it is spent. And on top of that, the voting of a party that will spend the money, in your eyes, best is not a 'different' argument. It is a perfectly valid way to assert your opinion on tax usage, and every free citizen should (and does) have a opportunity to say.
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How?
Because OP isn''t a black, lesbian, transgender veteran who is confined to a wheelchair - and, hence, is a racist, transphobic nazi
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How?
Because they need your money.
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It should suffer in any and every way possible .


Solitary without parole.
And what's the point in that?
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Because they need your money.
So?
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The government are cucks, anything to not look some sort of phobic is put before running the country.
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Tons of ill informed, seemingly children, on this thread who can’t be bothered to do any research before yelling about something they don’t understand.

(1) Human rights apply to prisoners, regardless of the crimes they have committed.
(2) The state has an obligation to protect said human rights.
(3) Such human rights include proper medical and mental health care.
(4) Failure to provide proper medical and and mental health care would constitute a breach of the state’s obligations.
(5) Such failure could allow the prisoner to submit an application for judicial review.

Gender dysphoria is a recognize mental illness. The treatment for gender dysphoria is to transition. As such, the state’s basic human rights obligations require the state to provide such treatment to such person, in line with the normal standards of accessing treatment whilst in prison.

Christine Goodwin v UK
L v Lithuania
Schlumpf v Switzerland

Even in the US, where there is no NHS, and healthcare is almost all private, the state pays for the health care of prisoners, and the same rules as above apply. This means that US states are liable to pay for gender confirmation surgery.

Quine v. Beard (settlement reached with California Dept of Corrections) (a murderer serving a life sentence)
Michelle-Lael Norsworthy v. Beard
Hicklin v. Precythe (a murderer serving a life sentence)
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It brings a lump to the throat .......
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rgery-NHS.html

A murderer has been granted the opportunity to undergo a £20k sex surgery, funded by the tax payers money. What has the world come to? Why is the NHS happily providing heath care for killers instead of focusing on the declining public health care? I do not want to give a penny to help a murderer, transgender or not, free world or not. This is absolutely outrageous, and I am so ashamed to be British.
TBH there are sick/disabled people who should be prioritised more, not someone who is a murderer that wants a sex change. This is a mess; even if they weren't trans why should prisoners be allowed to receive taxpayer money for??? (genuine question BTW)
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[QUOTE=velvetzappa;80663400]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rgery-NHS.html

I completely agree, tax money should go towards people who have been on the waiting list longer or people who deserve the help. There are many other people and organisations more in need of money, and they're not getting it, it's shameful.
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Tons of ill informed, seemingly children, on this thread who can’t be bothered to do any research before yelling about something they don’t understand.

(1) Human rights apply to prisoners, regardless of the crimes they have committed.
(2) The state has an obligation to protect said human rights.
(3) Such human rights include proper medical and mental health care.
(4) Failure to provide proper medical and and mental health care would constitute a breach of the state’s obligations.
(5) Such failure could allow the prisoner to submit an application for judicial review.

Gender dysphoria is a recognize mental illness. The treatment for gender dysphoria is to transition. As such, the state’s basic human rights obligations require the state to provide such treatment to such person, in line with the normal standards of accessing treatment whilst in prison.

Christine Goodwin v UK
L v Lithuania
Schlumpf v Switzerland

Even in the US, where there is no NHS, and healthcare is almost all private, the state pays for the health care of prisoners, and the same rules as above apply. This means that US states are liable to pay for gender confirmation surgery.

Quine v. Beard (settlement reached with California Dept of Corrections) (a murderer serving a life sentence)
Michelle-Lael Norsworthy v. Beard
Hicklin v. Precythe (a murderer serving a life sentence)
Completely flawed argument. Transitioning does not mean loping of certain participles of the body. Indeed, most people don’t transition by means of surgical intervention. It is not his human right to have his genitals mutilated on the state. It never has been and God forbid it never will be.
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Completely flawed argument. Transitioning does not mean loping of certain participles of the body. Indeed, most people don’t transition by means of surgical intervention. It is not his human right to have his genitals mutilated on the state. It never has been and God forbid it never will be.
Factually incorrect. Try again.

In fact, as the State has to provide appropriate medical care, if it is determined by the caring physician(s)/psychologist(s)/psychiatrist(s) that such gender confirmation surgery is necessary to support the mental health of the patient, then it’s considered a necessary medical procedure and the State has to pay.

You should probably learn law before trying to correct a lawyer.
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Factually incorrect. Try again.

In fact, as the State has to provide appropriate medical care, if it is determined by the caring physician(s)/psychologist(s)/psychiatrist(s) that such gender confirmation surgery is necessary to support the mental health of the patient, then it’s considered a necessary medical procedure and the State has to pay.

You should probably learn law before trying to correct a lawyer.
False. It never will be necessary for this kind of misappropriation of taxpayers money, who frankly as a whole generally reject your farcical rhetoric that stains today’s youth. I reiterate: it is not his human right to have his genitals mutilated on the state. It never has been and God forbid it never will be. This is a person who has stolen the life of another in cold blood; they do not deserve your socialist fringe left cash splashing that you seem to advocate in the name of their ‘mental health’.
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False. It never will be necessary for this kind of misappropriation of taxpayers money, who frankly as a whole generally reject your farcical rhetoric that stains today’s youth. I reiterate: it is not his human right to have his genitals mutilated on the state. It never has been and God forbid it never will be. This is a person who has stolen the life of another in cold blood; they do not deserve your socialist fringe left cash splashing that you seem to advocate in the name of their ‘mental health’.
It’s not false. The fact that you think you know what you’re talking about is quite amusing, though.

When the State imprisons a person, they assume responsibility — and liability — for their medical care. If a procedure is deemed medically necessary, then the State must provide such. Thus, if a medical professional evaluates the patient and deems that gender confirmation surgery is necessary for the care of the patient, then it becomes the responsibility of the State to provide it.

Failure to provide such medical care as is deemed medically necessary would subject the State to judicial review or tort claims, depending.

If you don’t know the law — since you’re not a lawyer — you probably shouldn’t comment on it.
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It’s not false. The fact that you think you know what you’re talking about is quite amusing, though.

When the State imprisons a person, they assume responsibility — and liability — for their medical care. If a procedure is deemed medically necessary, then the State must provide such. Thus, if a medical professional evaluates the patient and deems that gender confirmation surgery is necessary for the care of the patient, then it becomes the responsibility of the State to provide it.

Failure to provide such medical care as is deemed medically necessary would subject the State to judicial review or tort claims, depending.

If you don’t know the law — since you’re not a lawyer — you probably shouldn’t comment on it.
‘The fact that you think you know what you’re talking about is quite amusing, though.’ The curious incident of the pot and the kettle in the night time? Pot! Kettle! Black!
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‘The fact that you think you know what you’re talking about is quite amusing, though.’ The curious incident of the pot and the kettle in the night time? Pot! Kettle! Black!
You’re an A-level student; I’m a former practicing lawyer, current PhD student, and part-time faculty at a top law school.

Do you really think that you know what you’re talking about here?

Failure to provide necessary medical care is a blatant failure of human rights law; and you could sue the State.

If the State was not under any such obligation, why are they providing such care? They’re just being nice?
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You’re an A-level student; I’m a former practicing lawyer, current PhD student, and part-time faculty at a top law school.

Do you really think that you know what you’re talking about here?

Failure to provide necessary medical care is a blatant failure of human rights law; and you could sue the State.
Oh good grief! O Hercules! What muddle I’ve gotten myself into! I yield your far superior infallible perfection of a mind. Clearly nobody can talk about anything with you because you are basically walking omniscience descended directly from the Holy Father himself. Anyone else in existence is far under your reign of intellectual superiority.


I can confirm that sarcasm was not attempted in this post.
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Oh good grief! O Hercules! What muddle I’ve gotten myself into! I yield your far superior infallible perfection of a mind. Clearly nobody can talk about anything with you because you are basically walking omniscience descended directly from the Holy Father himself. Anyone else in existence is far under your reign of intellectual superiority.


I can confirm that sarcasm was not attempted in this post.
Adorable A-level student pretending to know the law.

Suggestion: Try to do some research on the obligation of the state to care for those whom are incarcerated. Hint: It involves looking at the European Convention and the European Court of Human Rights.
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