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If we have the planar system given by the ODEs  and we let then obtaining a solution; but what I don't understand is how the trajectory of the system is determined by the eigenvectors of M.
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#2 are linear in , I'm assuming by what you've written?

We have that: where the first eq is (*) and second is (**)

Take the first eq, and differentiate with respect to... time , I suppose? Whatever the dot differentiation represents in your context.

Then we get it as We sub in from (**) and obtain (***)

From (*) we also get that and subbing it into (***) we get: Clearly, this is a second order ODE which has solutions with satisfying its characteristic equation: which is precisely the equation for the eigenvalues of the matrix So going from there, you'd find that the eigenvector of the matrix for coincides with the trajectory .
Indeed, we get the same when we do the process for , and its particle path corresponds to the eigenvector with .
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(Original post by RDKGames)
~snip~.
I'm a little rusty on this, but this seems to give a good method for *calculating* the solution, while largely obscuring the whole reason we care about eigenvectors. (But as I say, I'm rusty, so feel free to correct me).

(Original post by NotNotBatman)
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If you know (and ) then for x of the form we have and so we find a solution of the form . The point here is that for vectors in this direction, the matrix effectively behaves as a constant multiplier, making life much much easier.

If you have a spanning set of eigenvectors then we can represent general x in the form .

We can then apply the same argument to find: Critically, the decomposition of x into eigenvectors at t=0 determines the future evolution of the system.

Edit: FWIW, when I actually need to *solve* a problem of this type, I'll generally do what RDK posted. It's less "elegant", but in my experience it's quicker than finding the eigenvectors and decomposing the initial x into a sum of eigenvectors.
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(Original post by RDKGames) are linear in , I'm assuming by what you've written?

We have that: where the first eq is (*) and second is (**)

Take the first eq, and differentiate with respect to... time , I suppose? Whatever the dot differentiation represents in your context.

Then we get it as We sub in from (**) and obtain (***)

From (*) we also get that and subbing it into (***) we get: Clearly, this is a second order ODE which has solutions with satisfying its characteristic equation: which is precisely the equation for the eigenvalues of the matrix So going from there, you'd find that the eigenvector of the matrix for coincides with the trajectory .
Indeed, we get the same when we do the process for , and its particle path corresponds to the eigenvector with .
(Original post by DFranklin)
I'm a little rusty on this, but this seems to give a good method for *calculating* the solution, while largely obscuring the whole reason we care about eigenvectors. (But as I say, I'm rusty, so feel free to correct me).

If you know (and ) then for x of the form we have and so we find a solution of the form . The point here is that for vectors in this direction, the matrix effectively behaves as a constant multiplier, making life much much easier.

If you have a spanning set of eigenvectors then we can represent general x in the form .

We can then apply the same argument to find: Critically, the decomposition of x into eigenvectors at t=0 determines the future evolution of the system.

Edit: FWIW, when I actually need to *solve* a problem of this type, I'll generally do what RDK posted. It's less "elegant", but in my experience it's quicker than finding the eigenvectors and decomposing the initial x into a sum of eigenvectors.
Thank you both for the explanations. Can a similar explanation be used for the Jacobian matrix in the linearisation of nonlinear systems ?
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1 year ago
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(Original post by NotNotBatman)
Thank you both for the explanations. Can a similar explanation be used for the Jacobian matrix in the linearisation of nonlinear systems ?
I'm not familiar with this, but I would expect so. Post an example if you want me to give a more 'reasoned' comment.
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1 year ago
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(Original post by NotNotBatman)
Thank you both for the explanations. Can a similar explanation be used for the Jacobian matrix in the linearisation of nonlinear systems ?
Yes. However, the question of whether the linearization of the dynamical system is topologically equivalent (i.e. behaves the same way) to the dynamical system itself is the subject of the huge field of "structural stability".
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