Young missionary killed by rural tribe

No we couldn't.What are you not understanding here? Even if we invaded with guns, tied them up and stuck needles in them it still wouldn't work. It wouldn't work because non- fatal illnesses such as the common cold could prove fatal for them.We don't have anything to stop a cold.We have drugs that can effect the symptoms but we can't cure a cold or prevent people from getting one.They have been isolated for 50,000 years which means they have no resistance to diseases that we do.So whilst a cold won't kill us it might very well kill them.Its nothing to do with whether we can subdue them or not.We literally don't possess the medical know how to vaccinate them.

And the Saudis rules are completely different.Thats a brutal barbaric regime.The law against gays exists to oppress people.The law against going to North Sentinel Island exists to prevent people getting killed on either side.

The police are investigating. This won't end well for the islanders.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/25/police-stake-out-area-where-american-killed-by-andaman-tribespeople

But no island does protect it boarders to such an extent that if you go anywhere near it you’ll be shot at. The clear problem is that I judge them by a modern standard; I don’t think choosing to live in the Stone Age means you get to behave like a barbarian. It seems everyone else is wanting to judge them by what the average man of 1,000,000bc would do

You don't believe that anyone has advocated for open borders? Do you even YouTube? Or read for that matter.

https://youtu.be/-IkJXBaR7lE

I don't believe people have said having a wall per se is racist, regardless of the reasoning behind having the wall.

They absolutely do, the UK does? Hell, plenty USA states let you blow away people just for approaching your home with a funny look. As I said before, there are layers and layers of law and paperwork on top it, but the essential role and message of border patrol is they will physically stop you one way or another and they're geneally either armed or can call upon armed forces. If an unidentified ship tried heading for a UK port it will be intercepted and challenged, lots of nice questions and warnings by radio/semaphore/flares whatever..but if they don't cooperate..then it'll get some warning shots.....past that it will either be fired on or boarded by armed forces. The last resort behind all these policies is still the threat of lethal force.

I think the mistake is in trying to judge them at all, we haven't much idea how they live. And that drives us mental, it's like a closed box has been put in front of us and we've been told not to look inside, we want to, even though we've been told not to and it doesn't belong to us and neither does whatever is inside, but we'll invent all sorts of reasons why we should open it.

There's really no need to go there and bother them unless you intend to harm or exploit them, as others have pointed out, 'immunisation' doesn't work that simply and we don't have enough knowledge, we would only find out where we went wrong when they all died (like last time). frankly it's not a good enough reason to bother them anyway, just another form of missionary. (No btw, they wouldn't let you, they've well clocked we bring disease, they responded to being gifted a live pig by killing and burying it away from their home, they're not daft)

But as you said questions would be asked if an I identified ship headed toward the coast and if you want to come to the UK there is a very clear and easy to follow process. If we shot at absolutely any foreign boat, plane or person who got close that’s would be comparable to what happened here.

They’re people and I don’t care what their culture is shooting first and never bothering to ask questions is wrong

But as you said questions would be asked if an I identified ship headed toward the coast and if you want to come to the UK there is a very clear and easy to follow process. If we shot at absolutely any foreign boat, plane or person who got close that’s would be comparable to what happened here.

They’re people and I don’t care what their culture is shooting first and never bothering to ask questions is wrong

If this was the American who wanted to preach Christianity to the tribe then good riddance. One, don't try to force your beliefs on someone else. And two, you are told to leave the tribe alone. So what do you expect? Fool.

But having seen my previous link, and perhaps glanced at the multitude of examples in the media and social media. Surely now you concede that there are those that do think walls are racist.

Which would be quite correct and proper but this is a very primitive isolated tribe of 'savages' who have no concept of modern western civilisation . Surely you can see the issues here ....? It would be morally unacceptable for such people to face western justice in such circumstances .

I haven’t proposed they face ‘western justice’, I hold all humans to a certain level; killing people and never bothering to ask questions falls below that standard

I hold all humans to a certain level; killing people and never bothering to ask questions falls below that standard

Whether it's worng or not is frankly your own opinion, as is mine, far smarter people than either of us have researched and came to the conclusion that certain tribes simply cannot be integrated,

Questions would be asked first in the UK because we have developed, discarded and refined a huuuuuge system of laws and military oversight that provides all these little warnings before they shoot you. The Sentinel Island doesn't, it's pretty much that simple, they aren't obligated to adopt our system of laws and more than we are theirs. What questions would they ask anyway? 'Yasarrghhlurryaaa!?' WTF use is that?

Plenty of countries shoot at people...how many incidents have cropped up in the last decade alone of a plane or boat being splashed because it 'strayed into hostile/unknown airspace' between 2 touchy neighbours? How many incidents happen in areas like the Korean DMZ?. In the UK we're a bit nannied, we have no big outside threats and we have lots of signs and social norms telling us how to act and what our limits are. somewhere a bit more tribal simply doesn't, rules are enforced according to threat to the tribe (of which this guy posed a huge one)

Whatever our views on whether this is right or wrong, none of these issues exist if you simply respect their wishes and leave them alone.

It's a similar scenario to that faced when the first humans faced neanderthals for the first time ...but back then there wasn't people passing moral judgements like there is now . You're looking at it by YOUR own moral standards rather than through some primitive tribesmans eyes who saw the white man as a threat to his existence and didn't have the benefit of a western cultured education .

The islanders see themselves, for good reason, as being in a fight for their very existence. Indeed, they are, though not just for the reasons they can understand. Anyone coming into contact with them is likely to infect them with diseases to which they have no immunity or resistance, and their past experience is that invaders will also bring overwhelming technical superiority in warfare, which will lead to their demise.

In those circumstances we would behave in a very similar way. This is why India forbids contact with them to everyone, including naive and well-meaning religious nutters..

Like I said, I expect a basic level of humanity from all humans, they fell below that level.

How do you know how they feel?

As you said, they likely don’t understand the risk they face from infection so what excuse could they have for shooting at him?

How do you know how they feel?

As you said, they likely don’t understand the risk they face from infection so what excuse could they have for shooting at him?