It's very interesting, and shows some of the complexity of the issues around employment. One thing that's ignored is that although the men graduates have higher earnings (which they do - it's just that non grad men have earnings closer to grads....this doesn't show that women are earning more than men it shows that the difference of a degree is more marked for women) they also have higher levels of unemployment...unpicking the reasons behind that is really important before drawing conclusions based on the average salaries of people employed.
I doubt it will actually influence policy positively though.
As ever they've stuck with the standard LEO data and excluded self employment so the picture for people working in the creative sector is massively skewed.
"in every subject there is at least one institution with negative and one with positive average returns. Simply choosing the right subject or the right university is not enough to guarantee a high average return to HE."
I'd wager it's probability because non-graduate men still work well-paying jobs and more hours in construction and other more profitable industries, making a degree less of a step-up for their wage prospects.
Interesting that The Guardian is still trying to frame this as a negative for women somehow.
I would think this is down to pay being different to earning. I suspect the average degree holding women is more career focused than family focused. Less children means more time in work means more earnings.
Men on the other hand probably spend the same amount of time in work so the man without the degree has more time to earn money than his female counterpart who I imagine to be family orientated.
So if degree men and women are paid the same and non degree men and women are paid the same (but less than at degree level) then this might explain why degree level women earn more week it being paid the same.
I know this is all speculation but it make sense to me.
gender gap reversed
men are not happy
These are earnings gaps, not pay gaps (the BBC reports this correctly, the Guardian does not).
This has always been the case. I thought the obvious answer was that men tend to work whether they have degrees or not, whereas women without degrees are much more likely to have kids earlier and stay at home or work part time and thus earn less than female graduates who work more.
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Yeah but your paye isn't going to show as much if people have time off work for children is it not? Paye shows salary no?
Yes it does. But how is that different to your definition of "earnings"? You specifically said "if they are paid the same".
And the data is for early stage earnings when most women grads haven't yet have taken time off for children.
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