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Hi people.. i know i need to see a GP about this, but cant get an appointment till next week so wondering if anyone can help me in the mean time.
Ive been suffering from severe clinical depression for about 9 months now.. with symptoms such as sleeping alot of the time, losing interest in everything, feeling suicidal, self-harming, feeling unworthy or unable to have fun or enjoy anything - its destroyed my degree, my career and many friendships. There is no particular cause or trigger event.
Ive been on 3 types of anti-depressants and seen 4 different councellors.
However i went to the counsellor today and we spoke about my inability to concentrate, focus or retain information.. Ive gone from a straight-A student to being unable to get my mind round simple mental tasks. I sleep 10-16 hours a day usually, and i wake up feeling tired and headachey. The only thing i seem to be capable of, or capable of getting out of bed for, is my weekend job - which is physical, brainless work. Ive tried getting up earlier but i always fail.. i exercise regularly, my diet is reasonable (a bit low on calories but very healthy) but i am tired and miserable.
Basically she doesnt think she can help me.. the thinks i may be suffering from CFS alongside depression.
has anyone had any experiences of this?
Ive been suffering from severe clinical depression for about 9 months now.. with symptoms such as sleeping alot of the time, losing interest in everything, feeling suicidal, self-harming, feeling unworthy or unable to have fun or enjoy anything - its destroyed my degree, my career and many friendships. There is no particular cause or trigger event.
Ive been on 3 types of anti-depressants and seen 4 different councellors.
However i went to the counsellor today and we spoke about my inability to concentrate, focus or retain information.. Ive gone from a straight-A student to being unable to get my mind round simple mental tasks. I sleep 10-16 hours a day usually, and i wake up feeling tired and headachey. The only thing i seem to be capable of, or capable of getting out of bed for, is my weekend job - which is physical, brainless work. Ive tried getting up earlier but i always fail.. i exercise regularly, my diet is reasonable (a bit low on calories but very healthy) but i am tired and miserable.
Basically she doesnt think she can help me.. the thinks i may be suffering from CFS alongside depression.
has anyone had any experiences of this?
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Hi mate sorry to hear that.
I have never been though depression like you described though have a minor form and have just been signed off for a week from working.
I see you like music and your vegan. I am into a lot of political punk I'm vegetarian and would love to be vegan and it takes a lot of self control. You obviously have an interest in politics and music so why not try and focus on that more? Start writing a journal on ideas you have? I thought your thread on squatting was very interesting. I would be interested in hearing any other ideas/thoughts you had on such topics?
So basically all I can suggest is try and do more things that interest you, get you excited. Hopefully this might rub off o the things you find less interesting.
I have never been though depression like you described though have a minor form and have just been signed off for a week from working.
I see you like music and your vegan. I am into a lot of political punk I'm vegetarian and would love to be vegan and it takes a lot of self control. You obviously have an interest in politics and music so why not try and focus on that more? Start writing a journal on ideas you have? I thought your thread on squatting was very interesting. I would be interested in hearing any other ideas/thoughts you had on such topics?
So basically all I can suggest is try and do more things that interest you, get you excited. Hopefully this might rub off o the things you find less interesting.
zav
Hi mate sorry to hear that.
I have never been though depression like you described though have a minor form and have just been signed off for a week from working.
I see you like music and your vegan. I am into a lot of political punk I'm vegetarian and would love to be vegan and it takes a lot of self control. You obviously have an interest in politics and music so why not try and focus on that more? Start writing a journal on ideas you have? I thought your thread on squatting was very interesting. I would be interested in hearing any other ideas/thoughts you had on such topics?
So basically all I can suggest is try and do more things that interest you, get you excited. Hopefully this might rub off o the things you find less interesting.
I have never been though depression like you described though have a minor form and have just been signed off for a week from working.
I see you like music and your vegan. I am into a lot of political punk I'm vegetarian and would love to be vegan and it takes a lot of self control. You obviously have an interest in politics and music so why not try and focus on that more? Start writing a journal on ideas you have? I thought your thread on squatting was very interesting. I would be interested in hearing any other ideas/thoughts you had on such topics?
So basically all I can suggest is try and do more things that interest you, get you excited. Hopefully this might rub off o the things you find less interesting.
Hey, cheers for the reply!
Up until this week i have been running an independent record label. Its been going for 4 years now.. Its everything to me, my entire life, but ive had to take myself away from it because i couldnt focus on getting any work done, and being unable to work gets me down even further.. Ive had to give it up before i have any chance of getting better, i can see that.
This is what depression does.. it makes you voluntarily or involuntarily destroy everything close to you.
Ive tried so hard to fight it from every angle.. medical, psychological, self-help, but ive failed
SoundDevastation
Hey, cheers for the reply!
Up until this week i have been running an independent record label. Its been going for 4 years now.. Its everything to me, my entire life, but ive had to take myself away from it because i couldnt focus on getting any work done, and being unable to work gets me down even further.. Ive had to give it up before i have any chance of getting better, i can see that.
This is what depression does.. it makes you voluntarily or involuntarily destroy everything close to you.
Ive tried so hard to fight it from every angle.. medical, psychological, self-help, but ive failed
Up until this week i have been running an independent record label. Its been going for 4 years now.. Its everything to me, my entire life, but ive had to take myself away from it because i couldnt focus on getting any work done, and being unable to work gets me down even further.. Ive had to give it up before i have any chance of getting better, i can see that.
This is what depression does.. it makes you voluntarily or involuntarily destroy everything close to you.
Ive tried so hard to fight it from every angle.. medical, psychological, self-help, but ive failed
Hey wow, I used to do some promoting but nothing like you have been doing?! How many bands do you have signed to your label? I can see that it must of taken you ages to build yourself up by looking at your site.
I definitely don't think you shouldn't step aside from doing your label. If you need more help from mates to do less then do that but don't give up. Where are you based? I'm always up for helping with the music scene if it's around London with some mates.
You say that depression has destroyed everything close to you but I know (from friends doing similar) how hard it is to run a independent label. (look at householdname records for example)
Well basically I would say stick with the things you enjoy and that will make you better. If you start giving up on things like you label you will have less reasons to be happy.
Stick with it, keep me updated
zav
Hey wow, I used to do some promoting but nothing like you have been doing?! How many bands do you have signed to your label? I can see that it must of taken you ages to build yourself up by looking at your site.
I definitely don't think you shouldn't step aside from doing your label. If you need more help from mates to do less then do that but don't give up. Where are you based? I'm always up for helping with the music scene if it's around London with some mates.
You say that depression has destroyed everything close to you but I know (from friends doing similar) how hard it is to run a independent label. (look at householdname records for example)
Well basically I would say stick with the things you enjoy and that will make you better. If you start giving up on things like you label you will have less reasons to be happy.
Stick with it, keep me updated
I definitely don't think you shouldn't step aside from doing your label. If you need more help from mates to do less then do that but don't give up. Where are you based? I'm always up for helping with the music scene if it's around London with some mates.
You say that depression has destroyed everything close to you but I know (from friends doing similar) how hard it is to run a independent label. (look at householdname records for example)
Well basically I would say stick with the things you enjoy and that will make you better. If you start giving up on things like you label you will have less reasons to be happy.
Stick with it, keep me updated
Cheers.. there are two of us that run the label and we have about 20 bands at the moment including past releases, mostly UK but some LP versions of bigger bands and some huge projects coming up this year.. Ive always done less than Chris who does most of it (although i do all the web design).. but no matter how little work i do, its still a huge responsibility, so many things to think about, projects to discuss and decisions to make.. i cant think about it, cant do it, cant make myself do it even.. just typing about it upsets me because it makes me think of how much ive held it back, and how much i WANT to do it but cant.
I know giving things up will give me less reasons to be happy, but right now nothing makes me happy! sunshine, music, friends, gigs, good food... they dont make me happy any more, they make me want to hide away in bed and go to sleep.
yeah i know.. im a problem. my GP, and now my counsellor, doesnt know what to do with me
thanks, i hope you're right!
Zav:
Did you have it/recover from it?
Just out of interest!
Did you have it/recover from it?
Just out of interest!
I know quite about CFS, given that my best friend has it. She doesn't sleep for 16 hours a day continuously that I know of, but she never wakes up refreshed in a morning, no matter how early she has gone to bed or how much sleep she's had. In addition, she falls asleep during the day (or 'crashes' as she calls it) at random and with no warning. I can often be talking to her on msn, she goes 'away' only to come back a few hours later saying she fell asleep over her laptop. Also re: the lack of concentration and focus, she often tells me that one of her housemates is talking to her and she can't understand what they're saying, because only a limited amount visual information gets through to her easily on a bad day.
Diagnosis was a long and arduous process for her, so i'm not sure if you want to go down that route, given that you have your depression to cope with. CFS is diagnosed by excluding every other possible cause of the symptoms, so obviously that is going to be quite tiring for anyone. My friend is now receiving treatment, which involves her keeping a sleep diary and going to a sort of counselling to try out ways of managing the condition.
So basically I think that unless you find yourself some understanding doctors, going through the diagnosis process for CFS may be something you wouldn't want to go through until the depression has eased.
Diagnosis was a long and arduous process for her, so i'm not sure if you want to go down that route, given that you have your depression to cope with. CFS is diagnosed by excluding every other possible cause of the symptoms, so obviously that is going to be quite tiring for anyone. My friend is now receiving treatment, which involves her keeping a sleep diary and going to a sort of counselling to try out ways of managing the condition.
So basically I think that unless you find yourself some understanding doctors, going through the diagnosis process for CFS may be something you wouldn't want to go through until the depression has eased.
Hey... 
I read your post and actually cried because I can identify with it so much, it's just *exactly* the same as me... I'm sorry I can't offer any kind of advice but feel free to PM me because I'm going through exactly the same... ;console; xxxx
I read your post and actually cried because I can identify with it so much, it's just *exactly* the same as me... I'm sorry I can't offer any kind of advice but feel free to PM me because I'm going through exactly the same... ;console; xxxx
Did your councellors identify why you're feeling suicidal? I've experienced alot of that sleeping, crashing out in the afternoon, but I'd feel refreshed afterwards though. I'm vegan too, are you eating spincah and nuts:cashews, almonds ...
About the music, I was a full-time musician, then left it for 5 years didn't pick up my guitar and was as happy as larry. Don't feel guilty for leaving it for a while, and then getting back later if you want, when you have more energy for it. Take Care.
About the music, I was a full-time musician, then left it for 5 years didn't pick up my guitar and was as happy as larry. Don't feel guilty for leaving it for a while, and then getting back later if you want, when you have more energy for it. Take Care.
I have CFS,and I'm not quite sure it's what you have (good news really ), because you would have a hard time coping with them.
Maybe you can't get up earlier because the depression makes you unmotivated to do so?
Hmm, these are symptoms of CFS, but of severe depression as well I think?
Read it here anyway
Symptoms
The number of symptoms that you may have differs depending on the type of depression. The main emotional symptoms include:
a continuous low mood, which may be worse in the mornings
feeling irritable
crying a lot
a loss of interest or pleasure in activities that you would normally enjoy
a loss of self-confidence
a lack of energy, tiredness and poor concentration
difficulty in making decisions
feeling helpless or hopeless
feeling guilty
a restless or agitated feeling
thoughts about suicide
All the best anyway, hope you feel better soon
), becauseSoundDevastation
physical, brainless work. Ive tried getting up earlier but i always fail.. i exercise regularly
Maybe you can't get up earlier because the depression makes you unmotivated to do so?
SoundDevastation
my inability to concentrate, focus or retain information.. Ive gone from a straight-A student to being unable to get my mind round simple mental tasks. I sleep 10-16 hours a day usually, and i wake up feeling tired and headachey
Hmm, these are symptoms of CFS, but of severe depression as well I think?
Read it here anyway
Bupa
The number of symptoms that you may have differs depending on the type of depression. The main emotional symptoms include:
a continuous low mood, which may be worse in the mornings
feeling irritable
crying a lot
a loss of interest or pleasure in activities that you would normally enjoy
a loss of self-confidence
a lack of energy, tiredness and poor concentration
difficulty in making decisions
feeling helpless or hopeless
feeling guilty
a restless or agitated feeling
thoughts about suicide
All the best anyway, hope you feel better soon
Ironic_
So basically I think that unless you find yourself some understanding doctors, going through the diagnosis process for CFS may be something you wouldn't want to go through until the depression has eased.
So basically I think that unless you find yourself some understanding doctors, going through the diagnosis process for CFS may be something you wouldn't want to go through until the depression has eased.
Cheers for your post. I know its not easy to diagnose.. but i also know that im not well and i cant live like this, so id rather go through the process and end up with at least some kind of results so that i can work on dealing with it and getting better, cause at the moment.. i have nothing. As for the depression easing.. i dunno, ive tried 3 different meds, spent 3 months being looked after by my parents, seen councellors etc and things arent getting any better..
I'm going to go to the doctors tomorrow and demand any possible test.. including anemia and hypothyroidism.. is there anything else that can give me these symptoms?
well_tempered
Did your councellors identify why you're feeling suicidal? I've experienced alot of that sleeping, crashing out in the afternoon, but I'd feel refreshed afterwards though. I'm vegan too, are you eating spincah and nuts:cashews, almonds ...
nope.. councelling has gone no-where. The meds im on now take away the worst of the suicidal thoughts but i feel indifferent and blank at best.. and still i want to sleep.
My appetite is pretty low at the moment but i have at least a large handful of nuts each day, fruit, green vegetables and at least a handful of beans or pulses and i make sure i drink a glass of soy milk.. i take Veg-1 vitamin tablets too when i remember. I guess it could be dietary.. though it seems unlikely as i keep an eye on what i eat..
ooh i dunno.
Blink.
I have CFS,and I'm not quite sure it's what you have (good news really ), because you would have a hard time coping with them.
Maybe you can't get up earlier because the depression makes you unmotivated to do so?
Hmm, these are symptoms of CFS, but of severe depression as well I think?
), because you would have a hard time coping with them.Maybe you can't get up earlier because the depression makes you unmotivated to do so?
Hmm, these are symptoms of CFS, but of severe depression as well I think?
Yeah i know.. its most likely that it is all depression induced.. but from what my councellor has said i seem to be an unusual case.. The sleepiness, dizziness and lack of concentration are more extreme than she's seen before.. along with the fact that i have no idea why i feel like this.. most people who suffer from depression have been through hard times or had a bad experience.. i havent.
so im just trying to find a reason why. Ive spent months working through possible emotional reasons and got nowhere, so i think its time to tackle other possible medical reasons... I dont want to have to accept that this is just how i am
yes its balanced.. i cant think of anything that i leave out. Meat and Dairy obviously but i make special effort to make up for those.. i also eat alot of seeds and i make sure i buy things that are supplemented with omega oils etc. I dont eat much food that is processed, fatty, or greasy as most isnt vegan.. and i dont eat spicy food as it upsets my stomach. I also drink alcohol very rarely (one, maybe two drinks/month) and have never smoked or done drugs.
im the healthiest person i know!
im the healthiest person i know!
SoundDevastation
yes its balanced.. i cant think of anything that i leave out. Meat and Dairy obviously but i make special effort to make up for those.. i also eat alot of seeds and i make sure i buy things that are supplemented with omega oils etc. I dont eat much food that is processed, fatty, or greasy as most isnt vegan.. and i dont eat spicy food as it upsets my stomach. I also drink alcohol very rarely (one, maybe two drinks/month) and have never smoked or done drugs.
im the healthiest person i know!
im the healthiest person i know!
ok, do you drink, cause that can block asborption.
is there nothing that makes you happy? I get a high eating spicey red kidney beans. What do you feel? You say music is your life, but you hate typing the website. What's going on
It sounds like anemia rather than CFS, it's really common (especially among young women) and if you have a restricted diet it is even more likely particulary if you don't have much of an appetite due to depression (if you aren't eating enough then your body won't absorb the iron from your vitamin tablet properly- ideally you should tke it with a full meal containing lots of vitamin C-apparently it help your body to absorb the iron). When I first went vegatarian I wasn't quite as careful bout my diet as I should have been and the dizziness and tiredness sound very similar. I also had PVFS which is very similar to CFS and aching muscles/inbility to do anything physical (even writing) is a big part of it.
No i dont drink... not regularly. I drink coffee, mainly decaff, and lots of water, fruit juice, chocolate soya milk and lots of green tea.
I dunno. I love music, well.. i KNOW i love music though at the moment it just gives me a headache. There are things that i used to enjoy.. but now they feel like a chore. I cant work on the website, it makes me feel down - i end up either in tears or just on TSR. I cant even read a book as i cant hold the story in my head... even watching TV i get confused by anything with a storyline that i dont already know.
i feel.. like a miserable mess. Like my life is over and now i am just 'existing' pointlessly.
I dunno. I love music, well.. i KNOW i love music though at the moment it just gives me a headache. There are things that i used to enjoy.. but now they feel like a chore. I cant work on the website, it makes me feel down - i end up either in tears or just on TSR. I cant even read a book as i cant hold the story in my head... even watching TV i get confused by anything with a storyline that i dont already know.
i feel.. like a miserable mess. Like my life is over and now i am just 'existing' pointlessly.
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