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    (Original post by AngeryPenguin)
    That's a side effect of rapid industrialisation, and the West effectively exporting their industries to China in order to look less polluting while still importing the products and causing the pollution.

    Industrialisation never occurred in any nation without an initial surge of pollution. Despite this, China has made great strides in reducing its carbon footprint.
    Exactly this, most pollution treaties, although for a noble cause, simply are not compatible with industrial growth. People seem to forget what London looked like during the industrial Revolution and even as recently as the 1950s.

    Fact is China will not sacrifice economic growth just because a few western countries who are in trillions of dollars of debt with them, want them to stop polluting.
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    China at the very least now admits that AGW is real and has taken steps toward massively reducing their carbon emissions and becoming a world leader in green technologies while Trump continually refuses to get with the programme.
    yes those new coal powerplants in China and the toxic elements being dropped into our seas certainly is a massive step.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    yes those new coal powerplants in China and the toxic elements being dropped into our seas certainly is a massive step.
    tbh they are China's own seas and they can pollute them any way they wish
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    (Original post by e^iπ)
    tbh they are China's own seas and they can pollute them any way they wish
    They are seas and lakes that feed into the oceans of the world, they are everyone's oceans
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    (Original post by AngeryPenguin)
    Despite the Trump administration's attempts to portray China as an authoritarian state, and Western media's dedication to fall in line behind every American attempt to 'spread democracy' to the East, it may not be the Orwellian apparatus that we have been told to believe it is.

    First, using the phrase “social credit system” for this massive social engineering effort is misleading. We typically associate “credit score” with a credit bureau’s assessment of one’s record of repaying debt. When extending this thinking to social spheres, it is easy to conjure an image of a single credit authority assigning scores to all aspects of one’s social and personal life. However, there is a great deal of confusion and uncertainty on the future direction of this massive social governance project. In a 2014 document, the Chinese government outlined its vision for such a system and noted that it involved four distinct segments: a government trust system, a commercial credit system, a social trust system and a judicial trust system. What drives this gargantuan project is an effort to build a culture of trust in Chinese society. Given this broad aim, a more appropriate term to describe the initiative is a “social trust system.” And trust is a good thing.

    Indeed, the social trust system is intended to curb official corruption, tackle official dereliction and improve efficiency in enforcing court decisions, as well as punish unethical behaviors of professionals such as lawyers, doctors and teachers.

    Restrictions like these, however, are meant to apply only to people who have defaulted on penalty payments or who have refused to comply with court decisions. Such penalties are meted out according to Supreme Court regulations — that is to say, no private scoring company or government agency (besides law enforcement institutions) are able to hand out such penalties.

    Western reports on China’s social trust system sidestep the reality that there are different cultural expectations of the government in China than in other countries. China’s governance tradition of promoting good moral behavior goes back thousands of years. In recent decades, as the economy took off and people’s living standards improved dramatically, fraud and technology-enabled economic crimes proliferated as well. Given all these problems, a system that bolsters trust is seen by many Chinese citizens as necessary.

    Social governance in the digital age is a global challenge. Rather than instantly dismissing China’s unconventional governance innovations, we need an open-minded discussion of the pros and cons — one that is sensitive to the challenges and priorities of different cultural and political contexts.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...social-credit/

    I used to be critical of China, but maybe I was wrong. China is often portrayed in Western media as an evil power, but the so-called 'leader of the free world' elected Trump, sooo... yeah. Maybe it is time to rethink what we believe.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    yes those new coal powerplants in China and the toxic elements being dropped into our seas certainly is a massive step.
    Building coal plants is not the same thing as using coal plants. Consumption of coal in China has been dropping significantly year on year for some time now. And yes China is a total shite when it comes to the oceans.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Well it is nice to see that this crazy leftist is now calling for Stalin (or Mao) like terror so we can see the true colours of the vile socialist.

    It is very laughable to see them try and defend China but also just as despicable as defending Nazi Germany, I hope the Chinese people rise up an destroy the corrupt government.
    I suspect if they did millions would die
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    (Original post by Captain Haddock)
    Building coal plants is not the same thing as using coal plants. Consumption of coal in China has been dropping significantly year on year for some time now. And yes China is a total shite when it comes to the oceans.
    various sources suggest there has been a slight increase (although few percent drop from 2012) another factor that is the quality of the coal.
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    Honestly I wouldn’t mind having such a system in the UK. We’d probably have at least some sense of order and stability.
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    (Original post by AngeryPenguin)
    That's a side effect of rapid industrialisation, and the West effectively exporting their industries to China in order to look less polluting while still importing the products and causing the pollution.

    Industrialisation never occurred in any nation without an initial surge of pollution. Despite this, China has made great strides in reducing its carbon footprint.
    It’s the effects of lax environmental regulations and opening a new coal power station every 7 days.

    The west’s companies has exported its manufacturing there because it was cheap to do so not because we are exporting our carbon footprint.
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    Trust a remoaner to try and sell the Chinese slave system... do you have no shame?
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    China is very corrupt, and this system will probably mostly be used to attack genuine corruption rather than political speech etc. That much I grant them. However, how do they stop the controllers of the system becoming corrupt? It's an attempt to lift themselves up by their boot straps. A free society tends to work better not because it achieves better outcomes when the system is working properly but because it is more robust and responsive to the system malfunctioning.
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    (Original post by DrMikeHuntHertz)
    Trust a remoaner to try and sell the Chinese slave system... do you have no shame?
    Well he is an "intellectual" after all
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    (Original post by e^iπ)
    tbh they are China's own seas and they can pollute them any way they wish
    I’m not sure you know how seas work.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    Well it is nice to see that this crazy leftist is now calling for Stalin (or Mao) like terror so we can see the true colours of the vile socialist.

    It is very laughable to see them try and defend China but also just as despicable as defending Nazi Germany, I hope the Chinese people rise up an destroy the corrupt government.
    I'm not a socialist. China is an undisputably capitalist country, just as much as any Western country; if I were a socialist, I surely would not defend them?

    China is producing billionaires at a rapid pace and I see that as a good thing, a sign of innovation. The far-left would see that as a bad thing and seek to take everyone down a peg, even make the poor poorer, just to reduce 'inequality'.
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    (Original post by DrMikeHuntHertz)
    Trust a remoaner to try and sell the Chinese slave system... do you have no shame?
    LOL your avatar is NPC Wojak, quite fitting for you I think
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    (Original post by paul514)
    I suspect if they did, even more , millions would die
    Fixed that.😁
 
 
 
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