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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46385597

A tribunal is to be asked to decide whether veganism is a "philosophical belief" akin to a religion, in a landmark legal action.

Jordi Casamitjana says he was sacked by the League Against Cruel Sports after disclosing it invested pension funds in firms involved in animal testing. He claims he was discriminated against, and the tribunal will now decide if veganism should be protected in law.

The League Against Cruel Sports says he was dismissed for gross misconduct. It denies the sacking was because of his veganism.

Mr Casamitjana says he is an "ethical" vegan. "Some people only eat a vegan diet but they don't care about the environment or the animals, they only care about their health," he told the BBC. "I care about the animals and the environment and my health and everything. "That's why I use this term 'ethical veganism' because for me veganism is a belief and affects every single aspect of my life."

Ethical vegans try to exclude all forms of animal exploitation, for instance avoiding wearing or buying clothing made from wool or leather, or toiletries from companies that carry out animal testing.

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I would certainly say so.

Reminds me of some of Ronald Dworkin's work on sacred beliefs, and how religion shouldn't have a monopoly on them.

AKA - veganism can be a deep-seated belief about the value and meaning of life, which is equally as important as any religious belief.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...dworkin-review

Edit - I mean with regards to the top question, not passing judgement on this particular case
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(Original post by Spirithorse)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46385597

A tribunal is to be asked to decide whether veganism is a "philosophical belief" akin to a religion, in a landmark legal action.

Jordi Casamitjana says he was sacked by the League Against Cruel Sports after disclosing it invested pension funds in firms involved in animal testing. He claims he was discriminated against, and the tribunal will now decide if veganism should be protected in law.

The League Against Cruel Sports says he was dismissed for gross misconduct. It denies the sacking was because of his veganism.

Mr Casamitjana says he is an "ethical" vegan. "Some people only eat a vegan diet but they don't care about the environment or the animals, they only care about their health," he told the BBC. "I care about the animals and the environment and my health and everything. "That's why I use this term 'ethical veganism' because for me veganism is a belief and affects every single aspect of my life."

Ethical vegans try to exclude all forms of animal exploitation, for instance avoiding wearing or buying clothing made from wool or leather, or toiletries from companies that carry out animal testing.

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I believe that veganism is a philosphical belief, in the yogic tradition (which isn't a religion) we call it ahimsa - showing no harm to ourselves or other living creatures. I've been vegan for nearly four years now having enjoyed eating everything before. I guess my consciousness has just shifted alot and continues to do so. I don't buy any animal products, eat fruits, veggies and grains that are free of plastic, don't wear leather, don't use cosmetics that have been tested on animals and going to go further with being plastic free in the new year by using shampoo bars.

Some may eat a plant-based diet but this is a decision made about what fuels their body best and built around any intolerances not a belief necessarily around how their eating or behaviours impacts the world around them.

So yes. I belief that in it's truest form veganism is a philosophical belief.
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Reminds me of some of Ronald Dworkin's work on scared beliefs,
so.... scared beliefs.... that sounds like Brexit, no ?
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Oh god. This will only make (certain) vegans more righteous.
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A belief shouldn't be 100% provable or unprovable by actions.

Once something becomes proven or unprovable by actions, to all practical purposes by which we live it is a 'fact', at least unless since superseded by a new fact. e.g. it might be a fact that my weight is average for my society now but, in future, the fact might be that my weight is below average for my society.

So being a vegan isn't itself necessarily a belief. But, underlying it, there could be an existing philosophy and that could be a belief.
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its based one one - yes.

Its the manifestation of a fundimental belief: That humans and animals are equal in value/worth

Once you accept that, veganism is the logical conclusion.

Obviously most people still hold a different belief - the same one that's been held for most of human history. That humans, especially ourselvles are a level of priority above all other animals in worth and value. Hence why they have no problem eating meat or using animals. As long as it bennifits humans, its fine.

But the two are foundational possitions, that veganism and meat eating are built out of. Both are logical positions once you accept one fundimental belief or the other.
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Being vegan is no different from (in belief form) being a socialist or a Liverpool supporter. Its a conscious decision and should not be protected by law.
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"Landmark"?

W v UK (1995) 19 EHRR CD 60.
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so.... scared beliefs.... that sounds like Brexit, no ?
Damn typo! "Sacred" so still Brexit for some
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every argument is underpinned by philosphy at some stage, don't make a big fuss out of it
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Vegans are most definitely an aggressive cult, but most of the "great" religions started this way, so why not.
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(Original post by Spirithorse)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46385597

A tribunal is to be asked to decide whether veganism is a "philosophical belief" akin to a religion, in a landmark legal action.

Jordi Casamitjana says he was sacked by the League Against Cruel Sports after disclosing it invested pension funds in firms involved in animal testing. He claims he was discriminated against, and the tribunal will now decide if veganism should be protected in law.

The League Against Cruel Sports says he was dismissed for gross misconduct. It denies the sacking was because of his veganism.

Mr Casamitjana says he is an "ethical" vegan. "Some people only eat a vegan diet but they don't care about the environment or the animals, they only care about their health," he told the BBC. "I care about the animals and the environment and my health and everything. "That's why I use this term 'ethical veganism' because for me veganism is a belief and affects every single aspect of my life."

Ethical vegans try to exclude all forms of animal exploitation, for instance avoiding wearing or buying clothing made from wool or leather, or toiletries from companies that carry out animal testing.

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I would say so as people do it from a moral / ethical perspective.
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Vegans are most definitely an aggressive cult, but most of the "great" religions started this way, so why not.
There are militant believers in every religion, they are often in the minority.

Most vegans are very chilled out and very peaceful, you just happen to hear the most from the loud ones.
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Oh god. This will only make (certain) vegans more righteous.
Yeah tell me about it
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Yeah tell me about it
:lol:

I'm vegan, you've met me 4 or 5 times.... and I don't think you even know or we've never had a conversation about it
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There are militant believers in every religion, they are often in the minority.

Most vegans are very chilled out and very peaceful, you just happen to hear the most from the loud ones.
How would you even hear from the quiet ones? Not all fanatics are equal, fanatical quaker is probably a different threat from a radical Muslim And vegans starting their conversation with "I am a vegan..." more resemble the latter one of the two I mentioned.
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:lol:

I'm vegan, you've met me 4 or 5 times.... and I don't think you even know or we've never had a conversation about it
I never knew :ninja:
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How would you even hear from the quiet ones? Not all fanatics are equal, fanatical quaker is probably a different threat from a radical Muslim And vegans starting their conversation with "I am a vegan..." more resemble the latter one of the two I mentioned.
We generally just post delicious looking food on instagram :lol: or cook yummy cakes for friends and colleagues who are surprised there is no animal product in them. We're sharers, not haters.

I hear what you're saying, not all humans who follow a vegan way of life share what they do and why in the same way. But as a group they get a lot of flack and a lot negativity shown towards them and I believe that is because the type of "vegan" you mentioned has made the majority of us an easy target.
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I never knew :ninja:
There you have it, you've met an open-hearted human who just happens to follow a vegan way of life and respects the way you choose to live yours :moon:
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