Dutch church holds 800-hour service to save family from deportation Watch

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It may well go on until the government guarantees that the family can stay. Why not? Now that it is in the international news they'll have plenty of supporters shuttling supplies in. I can't see these men and women of God just giving up on their conviction to save the family just because they got a bit bored.
It’s not a case if being bored, it’s a case of having their own lives to live and at some point day to day life has to resume
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It’s not a case if being bored, it’s a case of having their own lives to live and at some point day to day life has to resume
They are priests. It is literally their God-given job to uphold their Christian convictions.

There will be global support for this church and family, and maybe there will be priests from all across the globe who will help lighten the load and show solidarity. Who knows? But people who have dedicated their lives to the worship of God are not going to give up on the family just because it begins to impact on their day-to-day lives.
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They are priests. It is literally their God-given job to uphold their Christian convictions.

There will be global support for this church and family, and maybe there will be priests from all across the globe who will help lighten the load and show solidarity. Who knows? But people who have dedicated their lives to the worship of God are not going to give up on the family just because it begins to impact on their day-to-day lives.
But now the family is basically in prison and will have to stay there. How long before they want to leave? How long until they feel bad about impeding so much upon so many other people?
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But now the family is basically in prison and will have to stay there. How long before they want to leave? How long until they feel bad about impeding so much upon so many other people?
How long until the police stop wasting taxpayers' money in harassing the church and family?
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How long until the police stop wasting taxpayers' money in harassing the church and family?
To remove people that have been denied the ability to stay in a different country? Hopefully not for much longer as they just go in and deal with it.
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How long until the police stop wasting taxpayers' money in harassing the church and family?
Julian Assange will be able to help the family by describing his experiences of being sought by the police and seeking to hide from them.
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This rules. I know it is popular to hate on religion on TSR, but plenty of religious groups rank among the most selfless and humanitarian. Look, for example, at religious resistance to the Nazi German regime and their most terrible and ungodly policies.

This is just one recent example of a religious group standing up to defend a total stranger from an authoritarian.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/29/e...ntl/index.html
Agree that this church did a wonderful and selfless thing.

Not convinced though by your point about religious resistance to Nazism. There may have been many individual resisters, but the Catholic Church for example did a great deal to help the Nazis, ranging from pre-war concordats with Hitler, allowing him free reign politically in exchange for protections for the priesthood, to organised theft from Jews in places like E. Europe, active anti-semism, a Pope who placed Church property and money above the rescuing of Jews and blatant Catholic assistance for fleeing Nazi war criminals at the end of the war, some of it co-ordinated by people in the Vatican. So no, not a great record.
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Julian Assange will be able to help the family by describing his experiences of being sought by the police and seeking to hide from them.
His experiences of spending years skateboarding around a very small embassy about the size of a 3 bedroom flat.
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There is no need to go heavy on the Church and religion, sheltering people in need of it is hardly out of character and in this case they are exploiting a legal loophole in their own interpretation of such historically held values. They are operating within the law, at all rates.

What about 'sanctuary cities' in the US and their laws forbidding any assistance to Immigration in pursuit of illegal migrants, even if they are detained for commiting an offence? That is well more 'out of character', for states like California to shield illegals from the law. That is odd.

Has anyone seen the state of LA or the figures on people leaving California? Tyson Fury was so moved by what he saw that he promised to donate his proceeds to the homeless, the big softie. That bad.
It isn't odd. The Democrats have promoted sanctuary cities and and end to borders for one simple reason - they believe that illegal immigrants can be given the vote, and that they will all vote blue.
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Julian Assange will be able to help the family by describing his experiences of being sought by the police and seeking to hide from them.
Not a good comparison. Julian Assange committed actual crimes, against not only two women but also very serious national security crimes (that one might call treason) against the state itself.

This, on the other hand, is simply a family being denied refuge by a country that could easily take them in.
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I thought somebody like you would like Assange..
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Not a good comparison. Julian Assange committed actual crimes, against not only two women but also very serious national security crimes (that one might call treason) against the state itself.

This, on the other hand, is simply a family being denied refuge by a country that could easily take them in.
Julian Assange has been convicted of no crimes. You condemn him without trial? Is that the leftie way?

This appears to be a family of illegal immigrants, failed asylum seekers according to the Dutch courts.
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I thought somebody like you would like Assange..
You think those of us on the (centre-)left cannot be patriotic?
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So a wanted criminal could be protected from arrest by attending such a service??
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You can't have socialism and open borders.
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Seen as we do not choose where we are born I not too sure about this. Yes I know that the current world society wouldn't work if people could just rock up were they like. But as a person of dual nationality and therefore no nationality in a way, I sometimes struggle to see why one person should suffer and another thrive just because they were born somewhere, a choice totally outside their control.

I'm objecting on a moral basis not necessarily a logical one.
Sometimes I wonder if people take the fact that they were born somewhere for granted, and feel that they are entitled to the benefits that includes but someone else isn't.

Just saying
That's no different to saying why should any wealthy person be granted any advantages from their parents.

It's because we live under a social contract whereas one of the benefits of success is we get to pass privileges down to our children. Same with society, any privilege we have here has been fought for and for every person that comes here without that historical price having being paid, it chips away at our own future.

I don't get to lay claim to anything just because it's unfair I wasn't born into royalty etc.
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You can't have socialism and open borders.
What on earth has that got to do with this?
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That's no different to saying why should any wealthy person be granted any advantages from their parents.

It's because we live under a social contract whereas one of the benefits of success is we get to pass privileges down to our children. Same with society, any privilege we have here has been fought for and for every person that comes here without that historical price having being paid, it chips away at our own future.

I don't get to lay claim to anything just because it's unfair I wasn't born into royalty etc.
That's true, hmm, good point What I wonder now is that benefit of success, passing on privilege more important than the emphasis on a level playing field for all...
Also, when referring to birth in a country, if a certain hereditary line has remained in an advantageous land, maybe excluding all societal benefits and focusing only on natural geographic which is largely not down to human intervention. There are places on this earth that geographically speaking are just better than others, some even argue, referring to geopolitics etc. That some countries are only better than others based on geography alone, as it is the " Board" that predetermines the "Play". In which case, historical events are largely irrelevant. Therefore making birth in a certain land an unfair advantage, I am not saying I believe in this interpretation of human development, I personally do think that human action does affect the nation/society etc. and can overcome initial conditions etc.
Also as a note, what I am saying is pretty much inapplicable to the human world in its current state, but I like to think in the big picture, where maybe the world will be one state, called humanity. Right now I can't even imagine how that would come to be/function.
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That's true, hmm, good point What I wonder now is that benefit of success, passing on privilege more important than the emphasis on a level playing field for all...
Also, when referring to birth in a country, if a certain hereditary line has remained in an advantageous land, maybe excluding all societal benefits and focusing only on natural geographic which is largely not down to human intervention. There are places on this earth that geographically speaking are just better than others, some even argue, referring to geopolitics etc. That some countries are only better than others based on geography alone, as it is the " Board" that predetermines the "Play". In which case, historical events are largely irrelevant. Therefore making birth in a certain land an unfair advantage, I am not saying I believe in this interpretation of human development, I personally do think that human action does affect the nation/society etc. and can overcome initial conditions etc.
Also as a note, what I am saying is pretty much inapplicable to the human world in its current state, but I like to think in the big picture, where maybe the world will be one state, called humanity. Right now I can't even imagine how that would come to be/function.
That sounds like hell on earth. I'll pass on that one.
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That sounds like hell on earth. I'll pass on that one.
How sheltered do you have to be to think that that constitutes "hell on earth"?
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