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Or Brexit.
I'm not looking for a party political preference here or even how you voted , but we really are up to our necks in schit. There is an impasse and we need to find the best way out .
Do we go cold turkey ( with no deal ) or stick with May's poor deal . ?
No other plans are possible because the referendum result was OUT . We cannot therefore consider anything else under the terms of the referendum result .

Would getting rid of Theresa May change things . ?

Only 22 % of the electorate would prefer Corbyn as prime minister according to a recent poll .

Your thoughts ?
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You give everyone a joint. Then watch the love spread
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The country voted to leave, yet the establishment wants to remain.

This should alarm both sides who value democracy.
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The country voted to leave, yet the establishment wants to remain.

This should alarm both sides who value democracy.
We are leaving. It was never decided on what basis because no one thought of that.

If you value democracy then we should just have an election and the public can vote again.

The public can change its mind.

The public could vote on key issues.

The public could give the politicians a mandate.
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We are leaving. It was never decided on what basis because no one thought of that.

If you value democracy then we should just have an election and the public can vote again.

The public can change its mind.

The public could vote on key issues.

The public could give the politicians a mandate.
I think an election is probably the best way forward now. Another referendum is to devisive, and potentially innefective. But its pretty clear that the gap between the public and the goverment has widdened to a dangerous point, so an election seems the obvious method for bringing things back to the ground, and giving power back to the public in a way that doesn't go against the last referendum.

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the problem is that its largely useless unless we fix our electoral system.

The real reason britian is broken is because we have an electoral system that was highly effective 30-40 years ago.. but has not kept up with the rapid technological and social change that has happened int he past 20 years. Technology has changed societally radically, and oppened peoples eyes to entirely new ways of communicating and forming ideas, and our political system just doesn't match this any more. It fixes us to a ridged 2 party system (in england at least) where both parties are inflexiable behamoths of organisational burorcracy. Both function largely now to get into power, and nothing more. And the existance of both stops any chance at forming a new and more modern poltiical system, because they as parties, are the only two entities in the country which bennifit from the current system.. whilst also being the only two entities that have the power to change it.

If we had another election, whilst in theory it woudl be a good way of giving the public a vote. In practise it wouldn't work. Unless labour grew some balls, it would probably end up with two parties who have near identical stances on brexit, just differing in their wording... Exactly what we saw in the last election the public had a choice between party A who wanted cake and ice-cream, and party B who wanted ice-cream and cake.

Get rid of FPTP - its one claim to fame, of creating strong goverments has been dead for a decade now..
Bring in a new representational political system.. let smaller newer and more representative parties actually have a chance
The have an election, and watch as the country actually becomes represented by MPs that believe what they do - and the gap between the goverment and the people shrink again.
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(Original post by 999tigger)
We are leaving. It was never decided on what basis because no one thought of that.

If you value democracy then we should just have an election and the public can vote again.

The public can change its mind.

The public could vote on key issues.

The public could give the politicians a mandate.
Yes so the leavers should have a vote on WTO, trade deal or Mays deal.
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How do you fix Broken Britain ?


Fundamentally you have to begin by throwing out the current UK political system which is corrupt and farcical.
The 2-3 party system is a complete sham and nothing but an illusion of democracy.

A vote for Lib, Lab or Con is just a vote for the EU PARTY and dictatorship.

Most of our politicians are just EU stooges furthering the EU agenda.

We have to first revolt against that entire situation and demand a real government is put in place that respects and
honours our sovereignty our constitutional rights and freedoms and which will ensure that the UK can never again
be sold down the river to a foreign power.
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Define "Broken"
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Islamisize everything. Would fix the mess we're in.
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Reduce or totally remove Unions, have a formal process of complaint and enquiry that is not a tyranny of the masses. Fully leave the EU and do our best to break up the disgusting EU. Remove ALL foreign aid and put in a system that benefits both the UK and other countries equally, preferably create stronger ties between the commonwealth. Preferably get a good traditonal leader in power, someone like Thatcher or even better Enoch Powell would be a godsend.
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Think it is past fixing now
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Islamisize everything. Would fix the mess we're in.
Yeah, Islamic countries look like a right bundle of laughs to live in.
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We must accelerate to the point of collapse. Burn it down by not paying tax, driving exactly at the speed limit and paying only in low denomination coins.
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(Original post by Johnny English)
Or Brexit.
I'm not looking for a party political preference here or even how you voted , but we really are up to our necks in schit. There is an impasse and we need to find the best way out .
Do we go cold turkey ( with no deal ) or stick with May's poor deal . ?
No other plans are possible because the referendum result was OUT . We cannot therefore consider anything else under the terms of the referendum result .

Would getting rid of Theresa May change things . ?

Only 22 % of the electorate would prefer Corbyn as prime minister according to a recent poll .

Your thoughts ?
The only long term solution will be external - i.e. if the EU fails. There is no unilateral solution to the EU question in Britain. The country is utterly divided on it and there is so much anger and resentment on both sides that it will take a century to heal.
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Islamisize everything. Would fix the mess we're in.
No, that would collapse and break Britain even more.
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I think an election is probably the best way forward now. Another referendum is to devisive, and potentially innefective. But its pretty clear that the gap between the public and the goverment has widdened to a dangerous point, so an election seems the obvious method for bringing things back to the ground, and giving power back to the public in a way that doesn't go against the last referendum.

But...

the problem is that its largely useless unless we fix our electoral system.

The real reason britian is broken is because we have an electoral system that was highly effective 30-40 years ago.. but has not kept up with the rapid technological and social change that has happened int he past 20 years. Technology has changed societally radically, and oppened peoples eyes to entirely new ways of communicating and forming ideas, and our political system just doesn't match this any more. It fixes us to a ridged 2 party system (in england at least) where both parties are inflexiable behamoths of organisational burorcracy. Both function largely now to get into power, and nothing more. And the existance of both stops any chance at forming a new and more modern poltiical system, because they as parties, are the only two entities in the country which bennifit from the current system.. whilst also being the only two entities that have the power to change it.

If we had another election, whilst in theory it woudl be a good way of giving the public a vote. In practise it wouldn't work. Unless labour grew some balls, it would probably end up with two parties who have near identical stances on brexit, just differing in their wording... Exactly what we saw in the last election the public had a choice between party A who wanted cake and ice-cream, and party B who wanted ice-cream and cake.

Get rid of FPTP - its one claim to fame, of creating strong goverments has been dead for a decade now..
Bring in a new representational political system.. let smaller newer and more representative parties actually have a chance
The have an election, and watch as the country actually becomes represented by MPs that believe what they do - and the gap between the goverment and the people shrink again.
I have been saying this to people for years we need a legal revolution to take these two parties out of the picture, the only why I can see is a party with a joining clause that by being a member they agree with the new party’s aims which are to take power and then reorganise parliament into a more modern and effective tool of the people’s will. Where the point is to serve not make yourself wealthy and they would have to agree to be open to prosecution if they don’t abide with the rule upon joining the new party. With this contract between the party united behind it and openly showing this pledge to the people so they know if the party gets in with a majority that the party will have the power to enact these changes because it is all done in the open now behind closed doors. People should be more willing to support this new party under these conditions.
Once in power a new form of government needs to be formed that is closer to a true democracy where there are no parties but each mp can form his or her own opinion on each individual case. And importantly before the party disbands works with all mps to create a new financial system that is a better blend of capitalism and socialism where no one gets so poor they live on the streets but people don’t get super wages either. I am not saying strip everything from the rich that is both unfair and unfeasable but things need to be balanced a little more equally.
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