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I'm repeating 2 modules in 2nd year of a business degree.
I originally dropped out and changed courses, but I didn't like it and so I joined back as a repeat..
I've 3 exams coming up soon first is this Friday.

I'm €900 to repeat this semester, I have another 900 due for next semester.
Plus the cost of tutoring which probably equates to 200-300..
And then the cost of the last 2 years..
I've cost my parents a fortune and I feel terrible about it.

I want to drop out, I hate college, I always have but I've also always felt (and been told) I need a degree.
I'm commuting from home - that's 1.5 hrs each way by bus (2.5 with traffic)..
I hated when I was living in student accommodation, I just got sick of the going out, the pubs and clubs, I don't care for drinking, I don't like parties, I don't like sports..
I joined a lot of clubs and societies but they're just about going out as well.
I just don't like college, and even less so when I have to be in for 10 and I might get home for 7, plus the 4 hours between lectures I have to deal with.

I want to become a pro gamer, maybe esports but also (more likely) as a content creator, youtube, twitch, instagram, twitter..
I really like the competitive scene for games like Fortnite but I also like lets plays and walkthroughs..
I've always watched guys like Syndicate, Typical Gamer, RadBrad, JackSepticEye, TetraNinja, Tfue, Ninja, Shroud, PewDiePie..

My plan is/would be to drop out and get a job at somewhere like Tesco, or as a security guard.. Warehouse work etc.
Something so I can pay back my parents and invest in a proper set up, gaming pc, streaming, mic, camera, video editing etc.

I'm not expecting to make a living from it overnight but I hope to eventually.

I just know I don't like college, I've always looked for a way out, something to get into.. I've been grasping at straws most of the time, but my father actually mentioned pro gaming, we were talking about twitch and he said 'would you ever think of doing that? I'd say you'd be good'..
So that got me thinking.

I learn pretty quickly , I can get my point across well, I've always had an interest in growing a social media following, having an online presence (but I've hated IG influencers..), I like and want to get good at video editing, I was planning on getting involved with PR and Brand Imaging after college and it plays into this.
Plus I have no issue playing games for long hours daily.
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Incredibly short-sighted plan. What happens if the gaming thing doesn't work out? Always have a back-up plan. You can still build upon your gaming career whilst also working on another - a lot of these gaming YouTubers started their channels while they were still at school or college, and some still go to college or uni.
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Incredibly short-sighted plan. What happens if the gaming thing doesn't work out? Always have a back-up plan. You can still build upon your gaming career whilst also working on another - a lot of these gaming YouTubers started their channels while they were still at school or college, and some still go to college or uni.
There is 100% a degree of luck involved, Ninja happening upon Fortnite early is the reason he's earning 300k a month.
The plan is to find a job I don't hate, work earn and save.
You always hear about the ones who fail, everyone says 'you only hear about the ones who suceed, what about all those who failed!?' - how many of them consistently uploaded, choose content based on actual feedback instead of just what they liked, who invested time and effort into editing, building a brand, improving engagement rates - treating it like a business.
I know my brother tried and so have a couple of his friends, they uploaded a couple of videos a year, no editing, no effort..

So you keep going until you lucky (by whatever definition), the more you get out there the better chance you have of getting lucky.

I know a lot of guys have started youtube channels and still went to college - a lot are in America though so it's a different story.. but I'm guessing they also like(d) college.
I don't.

I don't want to waste any more of my parents money, I don't like, care or see any merit in college.
I believe I can do it, I'm quite happy working at Tesco until such a time comes.. but I'm also going to continuously put my best foot forward to give myself the chance.

Also streaming, gaming, and esports are only going to get bigger - colleges are investing in set ups and scholarship opportunities to get these players into their colleges.
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become a youtuber. get famous. then remember this inspirational comment and yk ice out a brother.
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Honestly I'd say go for it 😀 it's obviously something you really want to do and would put loads of effort into, so eventually you'll make it (ofc would take a really long time, but that's never a reason not to do it!). If uni isn't for you, then it isn't for you. It's not the only way to be successful and happy.

Good luck!
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become a youtuber. get famous. then remember this inspirational comment and yk ice out a brother.
Get me a degree from Oxford while you're there and we have a deal
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Get me a degree from Oxford while you're there and we have a deal
sure bud. get me a nice girlfriend from Paris then i'll give you the degree.
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I don’t think this is an issue of luck.

This is like any other talent based career plan be it sports, showbiz, whatever.

The issue is - what if you’re (a) not good enough to win money or (b) not charismatic enough to attract viewers.
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I don’t think this is an issue of luck.

This is like any other talent based career plan be it sports, showbiz, whatever.

The issue is - what if you’re (a) not good enough to win money or (b) not charismatic enough to attract viewers.
There is a different option to the - be like Tfue or - be like Markiplier..
Guys like TetraNinja who are just consistent and generally good, likeable people.

I'm not a very polarising person, I've never a been a love him or hate him person.
I can talk good (/s), I at least like to think I'm articulate.
I try to be nice, I don't have anything serious that could affect me like a speech impediment or really contraversial views (for example).. I also tend to do quite well in games, from the more competitive side of things where you do need good reflexes, timing, decision making and level headedness, to the less competitive playthrough type games where you need to be able to follow stories, see hidden naratives, draw conclusions and stay quite during cut scenes.

Making a living playing video games is different to showbiz, they are similar but it's not about being a pretty face, smiling and saying 'over to you diane' or being some IG 'celebrity' who now is a guest host.
It's all within your control, you edit the videos, you decide the content (well, your viewers do..), you build your brand, put yourself across and decide your direction.. it's different to being Oprah or Ellen with a big PR team behind you, or being Phillip Schofield

Maybe it won't work out and I'll move on but I really don't think college is for me - at least not now.
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(Original post by SeanLaurentParis)
I want to become a pro gamer, maybe esports but also (more likely) as a content creator, youtube, twitch, instagram, twitter..
I really like the competitive scene for games like Fortnite but I also like lets plays and walkthroughs..
I've always watched guys like Syndicate, Typical Gamer, RadBrad, JackSepticEye, TetraNinja, Tfue, Ninja, Shroud, PewDiePie..
Some good points already provided by others, but a few extra ones for this specifically:

You're in a second year of a business degree. That's not to say you're old, and you're not past your prime. But do you really expect to catch up to some of the big names? Some esports professionals have been playing games seriously since they were young.

On a similar note, you want to work at Tesco or something similar to make money in the meantime. That's fine, but how are you really going to dedicate the time to this? You're going to be working a full time job, so are you going to then work a full time job on gaming? Keeping in mind the time constraints involved, are you really willing to work 80-100 hours a week for a couple years and get little more than minimum wage from Tesco? Because as you say, you won't see results instantly. Especially when there is a luck element involved and you may find it never amounts to anything.

For every success story, there are thousands of people who simply didn't make it. How many of the people who look up to PewDiePie are actually making it work? What makes you think you can actually succeed at all?

And are you willing to throw away some of the best chances of your life while you're young? Do you see yourself doing this for years or do you think that one day you'll want something else?

It kind of sounds like you've got your priorities backwards. You're happy to work at Tesco until you make it happen and want to focus on the gaming. But really, the gaming should be the hobby and you shouldn't be focusing on the thing that's least likely to happen.

It's absolutely fine if you don't want to pursue your degree. It's fine to hate uni as a whole. And you don't necessarily need a degree. But pursuing a career in gaming is not a viable plan. It's something you pursue as a hobby until one day you can turn it into a viable career.

But that's enough negativity. Couple of success stories from people I know personally:
Someone I went to school with (I left school in 2011, so this is a 7 year timeframe) went to college and uni. Perfectly normal student, was pursuing a career in acting, stage performance, that sort of stuff. On the side, he was streaming Hearthstone. At some point, that become sufficient enough for him to follow it as a full time career and he now casts professionally. From what I can see, he's not making crazy money from it and in all honesty it's not the safest career. But he's got a degree to back him up.
Someone else I went to school with, but they were a year higher, did something similar. College, degree in similar subjects. They now have a 200,000 sub YouTube channel. They've been at it for 4 years. Again, they're not making a ton of money from it, and it's incredibly volatile but he's doing something he enjoys.

Both of these guys were successful in their own right. But it wasn't easy for them, and they have something to fall back onto if it didn't work out. But most importantly, they put their all into Twitch and YouTube respectively, without relying on it. It was never their end goal, they just got to a point where that was an option.

If you choose to give up on education now, you won't really have a ton of backup options. You'll be limited to unskilled work. Mathematically speaking, odds are it simply won't work out. So while you might be happy playing games all day, are you also happy for this to fail and you find yourself working full time at Tesco?

By all means, go for it. But do it under more opportune conditions. Consider what practical skills you can be left with if this doesn't work out.
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meh, a business degree is a worthless degree anyway. you have the same prospects dropping out as you do carrying on.

pursue your dreams, ignore the nay sayers. if you fail then that's a life lesson and no regrets.
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There is a different option to the - be like Tfue or - be like Markiplier..
Guys like TetraNinja who are just consistent and generally good, likeable people.

I'm not a very polarising person, I've never a been a love him or hate him person.
I can talk good (/s), I at least like to think I'm articulate.
I try to be nice, I don't have anything serious that could affect me like a speech impediment or really contraversial views (for example).. I also tend to do quite well in games, from the more competitive side of things where you do need good reflexes, timing, decision making and level headedness, to the less competitive playthrough type games where you need to be able to follow stories, see hidden naratives, draw conclusions and stay quite during cut scenes.

Making a living playing video games is different to showbiz, they are similar but it's not about being a pretty face, smiling and saying 'over to you diane' or being some IG 'celebrity' who now is a guest host.
It's all within your control, you edit the videos, you decide the content (well, your viewers do..), you build your brand, put yourself across and decide your direction.. it's different to being Oprah or Ellen with a big PR team behind you, or being Phillip Schofield

Maybe it won't work out and I'll move on but I really don't think college is for me - at least not now.
This is exactly the same in the sense that you have complete responsibility for the content you put out - and the question is - what if people don't like your content? What if you are just stuck on 300 subscribers? There are probably countless Youtubers out there who thought that their content was going to be the killer, they would just grow and grow and have a decent living - but they just haven't made it.

I would also disagree that being a pretty face isn't a way to win. Everyone knows that there are exceptionally mediocre girl gamers who have huge followings simply because they are attractive. Very few women on Twitch dress like nuns.

Bottom line is - this is a creative / talent sector, where you will succeed or fail entirely on how much people like your product - so how do you know your product is saleable?

Surely the better strategy would be to carry one with something else, and test the water with your content first? See if part-time you can get any kind of following?
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"I'm not motivated enough to smash my degree and get a decent career so I'm going to quit and hope for the best in a saturated market"..........

Can't wait for my council tax to cover you whilst you're on the dole.
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Some good points already provided by others, but a few extra ones for this specifically:

You're in a second year of a business degree. That's not to say you're old, and you're not past your prime. But do you really expect to catch up to some of the big names? Some esports professionals have been playing games seriously since they were young.

On a similar note, you want to work at Tesco or something similar to make money in the meantime. That's fine, but how are you really going to dedicate the time to this? You're going to be working a full time job, so are you going to then work a full time job on gaming? Keeping in mind the time constraints involved, are you really willing to work 80-100 hours a week for a couple years and get little more than minimum wage from Tesco? Because as you say, you won't see results instantly. Especially when there is a luck element involved and you may find it never amounts to anything.

For every success story, there are thousands of people who simply didn't make it. How many of the people who look up to PewDiePie are actually making it work? What makes you think you can actually succeed at all?

And are you willing to throw away some of the best chances of your life while you're young? Do you see yourself doing this for years or do you think that one day you'll want something else?

It kind of sounds like you've got your priorities backwards. You're happy to work at Tesco until you make it happen and want to focus on the gaming. But really, the gaming should be the hobby and you shouldn't be focusing on the thing that's least likely to happen.

It's absolutely fine if you don't want to pursue your degree. It's fine to hate uni as a whole. And you don't necessarily need a degree. But pursuing a career in gaming is not a viable plan. It's something you pursue as a hobby until one day you can turn it into a viable career.

But that's enough negativity. Couple of success stories from people I know personally:
Someone I went to school with (I left school in 2011, so this is a 7 year timeframe) went to college and uni. Perfectly normal student, was pursuing a career in acting, stage performance, that sort of stuff. On the side, he was streaming Hearthstone. At some point, that become sufficient enough for him to follow it as a full time career and he now casts professionally. From what I can see, he's not making crazy money from it and in all honesty it's not the safest career. But he's got a degree to back him up.
Someone else I went to school with, but they were a year higher, did something similar. College, degree in similar subjects. They now have a 200,000 sub YouTube channel. They've been at it for 4 years. Again, they're not making a ton of money from it, and it's incredibly volatile but he's doing something he enjoys.

Both of these guys were successful in their own right. But it wasn't easy for them, and they have something to fall back onto if it didn't work out. But most importantly, they put their all into Twitch and YouTube respectively, without relying on it. It was never their end goal, they just got to a point where that was an option.

If you choose to give up on education now, you won't really have a ton of backup options. You'll be limited to unskilled work. Mathematically speaking, odds are it simply won't work out. So while you might be happy playing games all day, are you also happy for this to fail and you find yourself working full time at Tesco?

By all means, go for it. But do it under more opportune conditions. Consider what practical skills you can be left with if this doesn't work out.
Some fair points.

I've been playing for years, I had a PS1 and went from there, I played MW2 for hours on end.
I've always played.

I'd intend on working part time, as a lot of work around me is part time.. So I would have plenty of time, I just intend on paying back my parents, some up keep and then build a better set up.

I've already said it earlier so I won't go into detail but a lot of guys don't take it seriously, I know a lot who failed solely for lack of trying, they uploaded maybe once a month, no editing just stuck it on Youtube.
There are a lot of people making great money playing games, there are a lot who aren't, there are a lot of people playing in general.. and most are not taking it serious, even more never upload to begin with.

I genuinely think gaming is a viable career path.. it's arguably going to be better than whatever half assed degree I come out with - for lack of caring..
I'd be better off going all in on what I wholeheartedly care about than doing some bs job so I can go home and play in my free time.
I've always wanted to/intended on being self employed so this lines up.

I don't care for much of life - I just genuinely don't enjoy it.
There's nothing wrong with me or anything like that, it's just I have zero interest in going the normal route, I'd rather try and fail than potter along like everyone else.

I don't like going out, I'm sick of alcohol, I don't care for parties, I don't have much in common with my friends from school, I don't care about football or what celeb said what.
Politics annoys me, most music is crap nowadays, advertising is everywhere, I don't want to get a 9-5 so I can have money for the pub or my topman jeans.
The whole thing just bores the **** out of me, I want to do what I want to do, I'm only here for now anyway what's the point in getting a job at some business so I can earn my comfy 60k a year have a pension, find a girl and settle down, I don't want to go to the pub with the lads, I don't want to work for the majority of my life at something merely because it's the done thing.

I want to throw myself into something I love, I want to do what I actually want to do for a living, I want to enjoy myself - I don't enjoy what most people seem to enjoy.
It baffles me that people are happy complaining about their crappy manager, or dealing with office politics, I'm not happy having something to moan about just to have something to say.

I want to do what I want, not what's expected.
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Man, that would be my dream job!
Can I join in wanting that kind of future?
Be like Vanoss, or H2O Delirious!
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Some fair points.

I've been playing for years, I had a PS1 and went from there, I played MW2 for hours on end.
I've always played.

I'd intend on working part time, as a lot of work around me is part time.. So I would have plenty of time, I just intend on paying back my parents, some up keep and then build a better set up.

I've already said it earlier so I won't go into detail but a lot of guys don't take it seriously, I know a lot who failed solely for lack of trying, they uploaded maybe once a month, no editing just stuck it on Youtube.
There are a lot of people making great money playing games, there are a lot who aren't, there are a lot of people playing in general.. and most are not taking it serious, even more never upload to begin with.

I genuinely think gaming is a viable career path.. it's arguably going to be better than whatever half assed degree I come out with - for lack of caring..
I'd be better off going all in on what I wholeheartedly care about than doing some bs job so I can go home and play in my free time.
I've always wanted to/intended on being self employed so this lines up.

I don't care for much of life - I just genuinely don't enjoy it.
There's nothing wrong with me or anything like that, it's just I have zero interest in going the normal route, I'd rather try and fail than potter along like everyone else.

I don't like going out, I'm sick of alcohol, I don't care for parties, I don't have much in common with my friends from school, I don't care about football or what celeb said what.
Politics annoys me, most music is crap nowadays, advertising is everywhere, I don't want to get a 9-5 so I can have money for the pub or my topman jeans.
The whole thing just bores the **** out of me, I want to do what I want to do, I'm only here for now anyway what's the point in getting a job at some business so I can earn my comfy 60k a year have a pension, find a girl and settle down, I don't want to go to the pub with the lads, I don't want to work for the majority of my life at something merely because it's the done thing.

I want to throw myself into something I love, I want to do what I actually want to do for a living, I want to enjoy myself - I don't enjoy what most people seem to enjoy.
It baffles me that people are happy complaining about their crappy manager, or dealing with office politics, I'm not happy having something to moan about just to have something to say.

I want to do what I want, not what's expected.
Whatever gets your juices flowing mate. Just something to consider though, there are many benefits to the norm, such as job security, keeping to a schedule, healthcare benefits. The norm can be just as exciting, fun, rewarding or whatever.
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I think there very much is a lot of luck involved, being 'good' at gaming and streaming does not mean you are automatically going to get tons of views or even enough to make a living i know and can bet that there are MANY people that are overall 'better' than the biggest streamers, they just get overshadowed , sure they might have a small and loyal viewing but they just stagnate due to no fault of their own.

Good luck but I dont want you ending up in a year with a few followers having little to fall back on.
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I think there very much is a lot of luck involved, being 'good' at gaming and streaming does not mean you are automatically going to get tons of views or even enough to make a living i know and can bet that there are MANY people that are overall 'better' than the biggest streamers, they just get overshadowed , sure they might have a small and loyal viewing but they just stagnate due to no fault of their own.

Good luck but I dont want you ending up in a year with a few followers having little to fall back on.
If I were in that kind of position (gaming for a job), I'd be working at my local community centre, because I know that they will welcom me back any time! Especially as one of them says that I was a brilliant addition to the team!
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I think there very much is a lot of luck involved, being 'good' at gaming and streaming does not mean you are automatically going to get tons of views or even enough to make a living i know and can bet that there are MANY people that are overall 'better' than the biggest streamers, they just get overshadowed , sure they might have a small and loyal viewing but they just stagnate due to no fault of their own.

Good luck but I dont want you ending up in a year with a few followers having little to fall back on.
there is also alot of luck on a business degree is gonna be worth the money and time. so have a degree doesnt automatically mean gonna get into a great grad job
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Don't drop out unless you already have a tangible following on twitch or w/e. Dropping out to work in tesco to fund a career that might not ever actually take off for you leaves you up **** creek.

Have you considered changing degrees, or other career options outside of university (apprenticeships n such)? It's better to start building on your gaming when you've got actually reasonable fallbacks, as opposed to the fallback being trying to get a promotion in tesco.
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