Jacob rees Mog is right.

This vote of confidence has put may in a much worse position.
As it shows clearly how divided her own party is.

As it stands 200 MPs will follow the Torry whip for bills to be passed.
How can she hope to get anything done?
She needs around 350 ish I think to get a bill through.

Heck as it stands Jeremy Corbyn has more of a majority then her lol.

Am I wrong? Because the news seems to be just saying she won and the erc are the evil bad guys.

1. 317 people vs 34m? Surely that should mean that the 48% matters even more considering there's so many people who didn't want Brexit in the first place (not even including the people who've changed their minds about it).
2. You're not gonna get anywhere trying to convince people of your opinion if you're being condescending - 'perhaps engage your brain'? Not doing you any favours mate.
3. I don't support May's deal either but it's better than anything Mogg would get, he has the attitude of a spoilt child and I don't think the European Parliament would take kindly to that at all. The only person I can think of who would be worse at negotiating a deal would be Farage.

...and stop their self-indulgent pissing about...

Yep they would be terrible at negotiating an almost off the shelf deal using the Canada model which they both want.

Terrible 👀

Tfw the Canada deal doesn't cover the vast majority of UK exports
Tfw industry in the UK is declining so the exports that are covered are dwindling
Tfw it'd violate the Good Friday agreement
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There isn’t a deal possible that violates the good Friday agreement.

There isn’t any deal possible that includes the vast majority of uk exports..... services.

There is a deal, it's called ~remaining~

ah yes, fighting for the referendum result to be respected is "self-indulgent". a favourite phrase of the pompous liberal elite.

I probably am pretty much the metropolitan liberal elite, but I'm also a member of the Conservative Party and quite frankly pissed off at these ***** not giving a toss about driving us into a perilous position when a bloody communist is the leader of the opposition. That's self-indulgence.

In terms of respecting the vote, we are obviously leaving - in probably a harder way than many envisaged before the referendum. Beyond that, the loony wing of the Eurosceptic movement don't get to dictate terms.

may i recommend the Liberal Democrat party to you, which will fit your ideology better?

when john major scarified us on the altar of Europhillia on Black Wednesday and on signing Maastricht, he led the party to a record defeat in 1997. People like me are simply trying to stop your liberal elite faction of the conservative party from trying that trick again. That will lead to a Corbyn government by offering the people nothing at elections other than "the privilege of being governed by us".

furthermore, this deal is worse than Corbyn as it is a permanent treaty, so it's not self indulgence at all. we will deal with both threats in turn.

there is nothing loony about wanting to respect the referendum result.

Corbyn is labour. People are upset because they think he should be more like Blair. BLAIR was not labour; Blair was slightly centre right politically speaking.
E.g. last year Corbyn won 62% of the labour vote. Blair in his prime only got 57%(1994).

I personally like Corbyn a lot and is a vast improvement on many of the previous labour leaders. I suspect my views are very similar to his which is no to a ever closer union. But regardless you know where he stands. I have no idea where May stands.

The problem he has is he doesn't want a second referendum but his party does. I suspect though if he can strike a deal that basically means Yes to the common market but NO to free movement on people then it wont matter. Most people just want access to the market without the free movement. The only issue is when David Cameron tried this they wouldn't budge as they said you can't have one without the other. I suspect though if they have a choice between a No-deal brexit or a EU tied UK with no free movement they might take it.

I doubt this will happen though I was just running with a thought.
But yea I like Corbyn and I wish someone like Corbyn got elected to lead the Tory party. Maybe a BoJo or Mogg. That way we can go back to having a left party and a right party AND eventually a middle party again.
May and Cameron were never real Tories. That is the problem.
Peter Hitchens did a good book on Cameron that is worth a read.

Which is weird because he is a socialist that wants to improve workers rights and punish big businesses.
You would think they would be lapping that up?

I can only guess that it is due to people thinking is 'commie *******'

A lot of the people who went from Labour to Tory are now suffering more due to the cut-down on benefits as well. So unless you can enlighten me on why they hate him I can only assume it's because they think he is 'nuts' or a 'commie'.
When you ask people who defected from labour to tories under Corbyn they usually say something like 'I don't agree with his principles or he is a socialist' BUT when you ask what policies they want implemented they are usually very socialist based policies which a true torie would hate. So I just assume that this issue is an identity crisis partly spread due Jeremy Corbyns unfair treatment in the media.

Christ, at this rate sometimes I do sometimes wonder...



I don't think John Major's pro-Europeanism is what lost us - and I assume that you're now using "us" you're a paid up member of the party, but feel free to correct me on that - the 1997 election. I think it might have been something to do with a government riven by division, a good few juicy scandals thrown in, the odd far-right headbanger still kicking around - and a far more attractive figure in Tony Blair, who modernised, moved his party to the centre ground and actually placed himself where the British people largely are.



Great. So if the price of avoiding a fairly moderate treaty with a backstop that no-one really wants to use and is pretty hardless is a socialist government, then that's just fine and dandy? Great.



There is when you think that the referendum result is some sort of popular endorsement of policies like re-bombing Dresden, shouting abuse at the Irish, sending all the immigrants home and making everyone sing Rule Britannia at the start of the day.

I'm being facetious, of course, but you can't simply throw in things that you want and claim they were part of the referendum. The referendum commited us to leaving the EU. Even adopting an EEA style relationship with the single market and customs union would satisfy the outcome of the referendum. As it goes, I think a 52% vote should possibly motivate a bit of humility from Leavers - I suspect if the numbers were reversed, the Remainers would be looking to reach out to a near-majority who showed a clear dissatisfaction with what they were offering.

Well thats funny because traditional labour voters in the north hate him

As someone with an entire family of northern trad labour voters - no, we don't

why would the EU not want to use the backstop when they can blackmail us with anything they want as a price for letting us leave the backstop?

and no the referendum decision was very simple, to take back control of our laws, money, trade and immigration policy. if those things can only be satisfied by a WTO brexit then so be it.

and i am indeed a member of the party. the Conservative party lost in '97 after they lost their reputation for good economic management after black wednesday. this allowed a the public to give change a chance in the form of Blair.

and the divisions were caused by refusal of the liberal elitists to f*** off to the liberal party, the Maastricht rebels only tried to defend our law-making powers from being handed to Brussels, and its fifth columnist supporters in the UK.