The problem with Oxbridge Watch

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(Original post by Doonesbury)
So? I note the top line articles are:
* A piece on the back of The Sutton Trust press release
* A reader's letter about an interview 61 years ago
* More readers letters
* A cambridge student opinion piece

And Owen Jones went to Oxford...

(I'm a Guardian reader )
If anyone wants Alan Rusbridger's most recent take on the Oxford admissions system and how far it is succeeding in improving access, he has written at length here https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/m...admissions-lmh
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Finland was under communist Russian rule for a long period of time before it declared independence. If they weren't actually communist in this time then I will take back that point, but the communist rule was definitely a factor in it becoming socialist.

I agree with the rest haha,
finland isnt even in scandinavia lol also theres like loads of nordic countries, all follow similar ideas, but i mean denmark was under nazi rule during ww2 that dont make them nazis lol
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And there is your problem. Socialist solutions (a) only seem fair (they are not actually fair and don't actually work) and (b) are not wanted by the vast majority of Britons. You are in a tiny minority, and are likely to remain so. Britain and the other western democracies fought a cold war against such ideologies for fifty years and we are unlikely to forget that, or to cave in to it now.

What Britain needs is a system that can educate intellectually elite people and make use of their abilities, not one that levels down the playing field to accommodate others.

You also neglect the fact that the system has turned out many socialist thinkers, though, of course, it seems to have missed out on educating a few intellectual giants like Jeremy Corbyn.

Also, Cambridge has a higher percentage of undergraduates from ethnic minorities than are present in the UK population as a whole. I suspect the same applies to Oxford.
and this is why i dont discuss politics on the student room
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germany has no class system?
wat
pls provide some sources and references
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(Original post by NetNeutrality)
finland isnt even in scandinavia lol also theres like loads of nordic countries, all follow similar ideas, but i mean denmark was under nazi rule during ww2 that dont make them nazis lol
Damnit, some sources say it was. However it does have the same system (known as the nordic model) so really it doesn't matter too much.

Denmark was only under nazi rule for a short period of time (about 2 years). Finland was under soviet rule for hundreds of years. It was so influential that they still spoke Russian in their government for about 20 years after they declared independence. 20 years.
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(Original post by LeackyBee)
Damnit, some sources say it was. However it does have the same system (known as the nordic model) so really it doesn't matter too much.

Denmark was only under nazi rule for a short period of time (about 2 years). Finland was under soviet rule for hundreds of years. It was so influential that they still spoke Russian in their government for about 20 years after they declared independence. 20 years.
yea because the soviets were around for 100s of years and not like 45
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(Original post by NetNeutrality)
yea because the soviets were around for 100s of years and not like 45
Dude, now you're just being pedantic
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(Original post by NetNeutrality)
yea because the soviets were around for 100s of years and not like 45
Was Finland ever part of the Soviet union? I though it gained independence around the same time the soviets took control of Russia.
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Was Finland ever part of the Soviet union? I though it gained independence around the same time the soviets took control of Russia.
Man, I really needed to check multiple sources. XD
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Dude, now you're just being pedantic
no saying 100s is a huge over exaggeration and wouldnt matter in most cases but i mean if you need false facts to support your argument, then you need a better argument lol
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(Original post by LeackyBee)
Man, I really needed to check multiple sources. XD
yes because i cant find a thing that suggests that finland was communist under russia, or that they were even under russia after 1917
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The whole argument about Finland isn't relevant to the original post. I accept that I was wrong, I thought I knew more about Finlands history than I actually did haha.
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The problem with Oxbridge. Here are my thoughts on the matter. What do you think?

If you just imagine Oxbridge university. Think of its place, its buildings and its students. Can you see a problem with this image? To most people, it is a bastion of British goodness and in many respects is what makes Britain, Britain. There is, however, a common theme inherent in this image that most people do not recognise. Oxbridge students are mostly white, privileged upper middle class. Its buildings and architecture are symbols of historical white privilege. The towns these universities are in are very wealthy towns. If you think about the way Oxbridge delivers education, it’s worrying. Students are not only educated at Oxbridge, but they are, in the process, also indoctrinated into the upper-middle class way of doings things according to British culture, whatever this may be. Ultimately, students are led to believe they are superior, not because they have a degree, but because of where they got their degree from.

This approach to education is wrong. It has divided British society for centuries. It is a well-documented fact that Oxbridge graduates look down on other people. Education should be about inclusivity, not exclusivity. However, the way in which Oxbridge operates is designed around exclusion, from its collegiate system and arcane traditions and practices. If you look at Germany and Scandinavian countries where there is no class system, society is generally more inclusive, more caring, underpinned by a ‘socialist’ attitude of equality, fairness and respect. People there become educated, not to become better than other people as people in Oxbridge do, but to help other people. The absence of a class system structure in these countries means that people do not face the same obstacles as they do in Britain where there is low society mobility. Therefore, more people reach their potential in these countries, resulting in more people empowering the economies of those countries, which is not the case in Britain where low social mobility continues to constrain economic growth.

In Britain, education is divided along lines of wealth and status. People are put into a box and labelled early on in their lives. This chipping away at personal growth and aspiration over time limits their potential and ultimately has limited the economic growth and output of the British economy. Oxbridge, as a whole, has divided Britain along these lines for centuries because its admissions process is deeply flawed. It favours the upper-middle class identity on which institutional racism, nepotism and discrimination are predicated. Students who do not conform to this identity are discriminated against at the interview stage of the application process, regardless of their actual real ability and potential. In other words, subjectivity is introduced during this stage, where tutor’s own biased belief systems are projected onto the student to see if they ‘fit the stereotype’ that is upper-middle class Britain. Attention is given to not what the student says, but rather how they say it. This is hopelessly flawed.

What is the solution to the Oxbridge problem? Simply removing the interview stage will not solve the larger problem, which is that Oxbridge creates the class system. There is simply no place for Oxbridge in 21st century Britain. These universities are outdated, flawed and deeply unfair institutions that promote all these bad qualities wrapped inside a shiny exterior designed to fool the general public into thinking they are innocent 'do-gooders' trying to make British society a better place. This is actually the opposite of what they have been doing for centuries! Therefore, the only solution that remains is one where Oxbridge is turned into museums and homes for charities. A socialist solution like this only seems fair considering the many years of capitalism Oxbridge have promoted, which has wrecked British society through social divisions and structures.

Britain needs universities that simply educate people and do not inject a toxic class system belief structure in the process, which Oxbridge clearly has done for centuries. If Oxbridge were to be dismantled along the lines I suggest, not only would the British education system become more fairer, but the British class system would eventually disappear too. The result of this would mean more people reaching their potential as social mobility increases. Why would social mobility increase? There would be no Oxbridge graduates employed simply by virtue of their university’s reputation, but rather on their ability instead. Therefore, the graduate pool flattens out along class lines as the beating heart of the class crucible, Oxbridge, will cease to exist, resulting in a fairer Britain with a flatter social structure which would ultimately empower economic growth as it has done in Germany and Scandinavia.

Blah blah blah blah blah

DOI
Went to Cambridge
Grew up on benefits (not even working class)
Hardship funds supplied every year in my college plus extra money for books
Never felt looked down upon by those around me in college.

- I was turned down by all the other unis I applied to so perhaps I am biased.
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