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I'm still waiting for the Tories to announce a new bridge to Ireland from Scotland, the DUP have been on about it for years and it would be a big win for them. Some major bribe or other seems almost inevitable now.

I don't totally share your confidence about Labour spending on the right things. So far they've declined to announce they will cancel HS2 which is a staggering waste of public money and a huge contractor-driven boondoggle. It's even more surprising when you consider that it is was the pet project of arch-Blairite Andrew Adonis. You'd think it would be high on Corbyn's hit list.
True. I think the Tories are trying to play the same game they did with the Lib Dems i.e. try to keep them at bay until they become insignificant during/after the next election.

We wait to see whether Corbyn tables the full confidence vote and what the DUP considers more important on remaining in Government or losing Northern Ireland.

I understand many people’s valid concern on Labour fiscal philosophy. However, the tories’ fiscal responsibility is on the backs of the middle and low class. Then they preach the big society to dupe gullible people into thinking they want similar goals.

I think Corbyn is trying very hard to come as close to the centre ground as possible. The media and tories are working hard to make him look nuts and often try to corner him, so people turn against him.

To me, i would rather have a fiscally liberal policy where people get the key services they need from mental health to security and from education to housing. It is absurd to balance one’s books on the backs of poor whilst the rich get richer.
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Why do you blame everything on the Government?
What is the job of the mayor then if it is not to control what happens in the city?
Because the Government wields enormous power. Without them, nothing can be done. Imagine London contributes more than 10% of the total national government revenue, but they cannot afford police officers or to employ sufficient nurses.

The mayor is a glorified custodian. They cannot make things happen without the Government giving the go-ahead. The Government controls the money. Those with the money have the power.
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Corbyn is a good enough leader to recognise he needs the majority of the country on his side to oust the Torys. Even the Guardian won't show him mercy.
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Corbyn's personal convictions are irrelevent when it comes to his actions on Brexit and a second vote. The balance of forces in the electorate, inside his own party and the PLP are dictating what he does.

I'm sure if Corbyn and Mcdonnel felt the only way to get rid of the tories was to supprt remining in the EU they would do that. They are euroskeptics for sure but it is not thier sole guiding issue in politics, unlike those brexit lot in the Tory party.
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Because the Government wields enormous power. Without them, nothing can be done. Imagine London contributes more than 10% of the total national government revenue, but they cannot afford police officers or to employ sufficient nurses.

The mayor is a glorified custodian. They cannot make things happen without the Government giving the go-ahead. The Government controls the money. Those with the money have the power.
Ok if that is what you think then that is what you think.
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Ok if that is what you think then that is what you think.
This is not about opinion but fact. Central Government controls the key finances of all regions. So it is near impossible to invest in local services without the injection of funds from central government.

This is one of the key issues with voters, they are unaware of how politics really works. That is why they are easily swayed.
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Angry?

My question is aimed at his supporters who I think are being misled. I wouldn't say I don't like him but I don't like some of the company he kept. However I do think he would be a disaster in government.

You haven't answered the question. As a Corbyn supporter, do you think he really voted Remain?
No I don't.
Nor do I believe the Maybot did.
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He is there, patiently waiting for his time.
The leader of the opposition party should not be "patently waiting"
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The leader of the opposition party should not be "patently waiting"
Then you don't understand politics. Time is everything in politics, sometimes you have to be patient. The key issue now is that people are going crazy and want Corbyn to dance to every tune.
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Then you don't understand politics. Time is everything in politics, sometimes you have to be patient. The key issue now is that people are going crazy and want Corbyn to dance to every tune.
Then you seem to be the only one who does understand politics, because the media, the general public, and pretty much everyone who I've talked to online has been scrutinising Corbyn.

The Tories are a gold mine for any opposition leader. It makes no sense to wait, when you could bolster your position and simultaneously show how crap the Tories are, yet the man does nothing. People should be crazy, because now is the time when Corbyn needs to show that Labour can lead the country, it's only 3 months till March for goodness sake!
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The leader of the opposition party should not be "patently waiting"
Indeed. Not to mention that he patiently said nothing throughout the referendum campaign, effectively removing the British opposition party from the debate and causing a massive imbalance in media coverage to wildly overpromote reactionary voices.

Corbyn's main achievement since being leader of the opposition is to have supported the Tories at all possible opportunities.
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Then you seem to be the only one who does understand politics, because the media, the general public, and pretty much everyone who I've talked to online has been scrutinising Corbyn.

The Tories are a gold mine for any opposition leader. It makes no sense to wait, when you could bolster your position and simultaneously show how crap the Tories are, yet the man does nothing. People should be crazy, because now is the time when Corbyn needs to show that Labour can lead the country, it's only 3 months till March for goodness sake!
That is not true. Not everyone agrees with you nor me.

What exactly do you want Corbyn to do? Oppose for the sake of opposing? What if he wants Brexit and is bidding time to see whether a no-deal can secure his desire?

Corbyn is showing that Labour can lead by providing clear and sensible alternatives. He is not yelling at everything that the Tories do, just because people want him to do so.

For the timing part, Laura Kuensberg said it well. Corbyn has to know the right time to make a decision. If he makes the wrong move, then his credibility comes into question.
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Indeed. Not to mention that he patiently said nothing throughout the referendum campaign, effectively removing the British opposition party from the debate and causing a massive imbalance in media coverage to wildly overpromote reactionary voices.

Corbyn's main achievement since being leader of the opposition is to have supported the Tories at all possible opportunities.
What exactly do you want him to do? Oppose for the sake of it? Surely, you would prefer more grown up discussions on politics.

Corbyn is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
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Then you seem to be the only one who does understand politics, because the media, the general public, and pretty much everyone who I've talked to online has been scrutinising Corbyn.

The Tories are a gold mine for any opposition leader. It makes no sense to wait, when you could bolster your position and simultaneously show how crap the Tories are, yet the man does nothing. People should be crazy, because now is the time when Corbyn needs to show that Labour can lead the country, it's only 3 months till March for goodness sake!
Would it not be a more sensible decision to wait until May's deal gets trashed then attack when she is at her weakest?
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Would it not be a more sensible decision to wait until May's deal gets trashed then attack when she is at her weakest?
There is a difference between maintaining pressure and launching a fully fledging leadership bid. Corbyn is not doing the former, making the later less plausible.
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Corbyn always has and will be a Leaver. The EU threatens his socialist agenda, so of course he isn’t a remainer.
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