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That is exactly what terrorists would say.
If you actually ask the Afghans who have had their innocent relatives killed and their homes destroyed they will call and see the foreign troops/western governments as terrorists and take them as their enemy. It’s not black and white.
Exactly this.

Ultimately the armies of global powers are no longer just defending the country in the same sense as in say WW2. The phraseology has now been changed to "protecting UK interests". This could mean anything from securing UK investment in a foreign country against terrorists who don't want the the Western companies in their Holy Land to supporting regimes that look upon the UK favourably.
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That's funny because we used to call the IRA terrorists and they are ...... that's right, white.

If they stopped exporting their vile ideology and violence to us we would just leave them alone as we do with other countries who don't do that to us.
They only export their ideology here because they were annoyed at Western meddling in the Middle East. Not saying that this meddling was inherently bad but that is the reason why they export their ideology.
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It’s just a shame that wherever you go in the world you’re never safe :/
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(Original post by Davij038)
It’s almost like the people would rather the taliban run them than the US or rather the CIA. Good on them. **** NWO imperialism. Hilarious that the left is now in favour of neoconservatism.

If only there was a political ideology that could explain this 😉 Hint: Corbyn Knows 😂
Yep, left-wing media are now suddenly in favour of interventionism...

Trump Derangement Syndrome does that to people
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Theyre not my enemy, and theyre not yours either. Why the hell should you care if Afghans don’t want to be liberals? Countries should be able to self govern no?

Lol are you sure it’s to do with ideology? Any Arab state that wants to run its own affairs on its own interests is a threat to the zionists who run western foreign policy. It doesn’t matter if they’re democratic, Islamist or whatever. The west tried to support Al Qaida against Bashar Al-Assad ffs.

They’re going to be hostile no msyrrr what we do, really? Hell of a coincidence that this started being a problem after we invaded their countries.

I REPEAT

What did Iraq, Libya, Syria or Yugoslavia do to Britain to justify being invaded?
I didn't say they should be liberals but the Quran is a book that is hostile to none believers. These 'extremists' are just following the ideology litterally.

Lastly they attacked us first.
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They only export their ideology here because they were annoyed at Western meddling in the Middle East. Not saying that this meddling was inherently bad but that is the reason why they export their ideology.
its been there for almost 1400 years.
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I didn't say they should be liberals but the Quran is a book that is hostile to none believers. These 'extremists' are just following the ideology litterally.

Lastly they attacked us first.
How did they attack us first?

Liberalism is an ideology that is hostile to others
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They only export their ideology here because they were annoyed at Western meddling in the Middle East. Not saying that this meddling was inherently bad but that is the reason why they export their ideology.
The meddling was almost always inherently bad and done by the George soros’s of the world.
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How did they attack us first?

Liberalism is an ideology that is hostile to others
Err 9/11 training camps etc?
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The meddling was almost always inherently bad and done by the George soros’s of the world.
Yep, the people at the top will always want more, regardless of whether they claim to be socialists or conservative
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Err 9/11 training camps etc?
Yeah, from U.K., U.S and Of course Israel’s number one ally in the region, Saudi Arabia.
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Exactly. Only because it’s the UK doing the bombing doesn’t mean that they’re not terrorists. Towns and cities have been destroyed and plenty of innocent people have lost homes and family members due to this.
Yeah especially what happened with Iraq. There is much more to all the wars than the media shows or wants you to know. Some Afghans especially in the rural areas will always defend their land as they fear invasion. A lot of damage has been done sadly. Some people have no idea.
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Yeah especially what happened with Iraq. There is much more to all the wars than the media shows or wants you to know. Some Afghans especially in the rural areas will always defend their land as they fear invasion. A lot of damage has been done sadly. Some people have no idea.
It’s sad to see that the media will easily manipulate people into believing what they believe. Obviously if you invade somebody’s home they’re not just going to sit back and just watch
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Do you believe it's time to leave Afghanistan?

Has the UK and it's allies improved the country?
The war in Afghanistan never has and never will be about improving it. The Taliban had been established for a number of years and they were mostly unchallenged by the West beyond the funding of groups dotted in the countryside like the Northern Alliance, and it was public knowledge that the Taliban government was strict in its enforcement of their law (so that is not the reason the West is there).

NATO only intervened after 9/11 (which itself is questionable due to the controversy and conspiracy theories surrounding it); the alleged perpetrators of 9/11 (which were not from the Taliban) were cleared out/rendered a minimal threat a long time ago, so why is NATO still there? Is it to improve the country? Many things you will see in the news is just standard propaganda which is expected from any warring nation, which they churn out in order to protect public support for their own interests - a common misconception is that the Taliban is responsible for the production of opium poppies used in the global heroine trade, for example; in reality, poppy fields were burnt under Taliban rule which reduced national production by 99% until the NATO invasion in 2002. Since then, everyone has been growing and benefiting from opium production (including those in the Afghan government due to corruption), but in the news the idea is reinforced that the Taliban use the opium trade to fund their insurgencies, weaponising the idea to rally public support for the war and opposition to the Taliban.
Another example showing that the war is not about improving Afghanistan is the practice of 'Bachabazi' - the sexual exploitation of children (typically boys). This is a practice which some people practiced in Afghanistan but during Taliban rule it was considered a henous crime which I believe got the death penalty; it has been noted that NATO soldiers had to turn a blind eye to members of the Afghan government/army engaging in Bachabazi because they were 'on the same side' and the primary objective was to fight the insurgents rather than improve the social wellbeing of Afghanistan.
So again I ask: why is NATO there? The real reason came to surface later that Afghanistan is sitting on over a trillion dollars of rare-earth minerals. The majority of global production of these minerals is in China, and they are important for the production of electronics and other advanced technologies, thus in order to reduce dependence on China (a rival superpower), the West have to 'get a slice of the pie', so to speak. Once the West has managed to secure effective control of Afghanistan (which they haven't achieved for almost 2 decades), it is probable that they will secure favourable mineral procurement contracts from a weak, impressionable allied government in Kabul.

Is it time to leave Afghanistan? Well, yes - they shouldn't have been there in the first place, or perhaps at the very least they should have left many years ago; will they leave Afghanistan any time soon? It is unlikely - even if all military support ended now, Western governments would be playing chess in the shadows, trying to manipulate or support various people or groups in order to achieve their ultimate goal of resource procurement.
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