(Original post by beach700)
Do you believe it's time to leave Afghanistan?
Has the UK and it's allies improved the country?
The war in Afghanistan never has and never will be about improving it. The Taliban had been established for a number of years and they were mostly unchallenged by the West beyond the funding of groups dotted in the countryside like the Northern Alliance, and it was public knowledge that the Taliban government was strict in its enforcement of their law (so that is not the reason the West is there).
NATO only intervened after 9/11 (which itself is questionable due to the controversy and conspiracy theories surrounding it); the alleged perpetrators of 9/11 (which were not from the Taliban) were cleared out/rendered a minimal threat a long time ago, so why is NATO still there? Is it to improve the country? Many things you will see in the news is just standard propaganda which is expected from any warring nation, which they churn out in order to protect public support for their own interests - a common misconception is that the Taliban is responsible for the production of opium poppies used in the global heroine trade, for example; in reality, poppy fields were burnt under Taliban rule which reduced national production by 99% until the NATO invasion in 2002. Since then, everyone has been growing and benefiting from opium production (including those in the Afghan government due to corruption), but in the news the idea is reinforced that the Taliban use the opium trade to fund their insurgencies, weaponising the idea to rally public support for the war and opposition to the Taliban.
Another example showing that the war is not about improving Afghanistan is the practice of 'Bachabazi' - the sexual exploitation of children (typically boys). This is a practice which some people practiced in Afghanistan but during Taliban rule it was considered a henous crime which I believe got the death penalty; it has been noted that NATO soldiers had to turn a blind eye to members of the Afghan government/army engaging in Bachabazi because they were 'on the same side' and the primary objective was to fight the insurgents rather than improve the social wellbeing of Afghanistan.
So again I ask: why is NATO there? The real reason came to surface later that Afghanistan is sitting on over a trillion dollars of rare-earth minerals. The majority of global production of these minerals is in China, and they are important for the production of electronics and other advanced technologies, thus in order to reduce dependence on China (a rival superpower), the West have to 'get a slice of the pie', so to speak. Once the West has managed to secure effective control of Afghanistan (which they haven't achieved for almost 2 decades), it is probable that they will secure favourable mineral procurement contracts from a weak, impressionable allied government in Kabul.
Is it time to leave Afghanistan? Well, yes - they shouldn't have been there in the first place, or perhaps at the very least they should have left many years ago; will they leave Afghanistan any time soon? It is unlikely - even if all military support ended now, Western governments would be playing chess in the shadows, trying to manipulate or support various people or groups in order to achieve their ultimate goal of resource procurement.
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