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How similar or dissimilar are the tories to the republicans? Most people think the tories are closer to the democrats because there is a very strong element of religious traditionalism in the republician party which is almost nonexistent in our tory party.

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Apples and oranges with the religious stuff.
There's economic policy, and social legislature.
Compare with economic policy because they are two completely different social systems.
But Labour and Democrats are just Lefty-Loonies tbh, completely identical, no disparagement.
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How similar or dissimilar are the tories to the republicans? Most people think the tories are closer to the democrats because there is a very strong element of religious traditionalism in the republician party which is almost nonexistent in our tory party.

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We are far more to the left, the Tories are basically the democrat establishment (with a few oddballs who like trump) whilst the Labour Party is more like the Democrat party grass roots. Andrea Leadsom supppsedky the right wing tory leadership contender endorsed. Hilary Clinton. The Liberal Democrat’s are also basically the democrat party.

UKIP/ Dup is the republican equivalent.
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The main parties are not really comparable to the US ones. We're a lot more progressive and centrist across the board.

US is held back by the lowest common denominator, of uneducated religious folk. Some of them in the Democrat ranks, though they get a lot less attention than the more progressive wing of Obama-Clinton.

EDIT: It would be great if TSR worked out how to get ****ing spellcheck back on. Have it on the edit box but not the original post box.
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The main parties are not really comprable to the US ones. We're a lot more progressive and centrist across the board.

US is held back by the lowest common demonitator, of uneducated religious folk. Some of them in the Democrat ranks, though they get a lot less attention than the more progressive wing of Obama-Clinton.
Gosh, you must be a condescending ****. x
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Gosh, you must be a condescending ****. x
It is the real answer: the US populace is a lot different to the UK populace. I am not going to sugar coat it by talking about who goes on Colbert more often or enjoys eating hot dogs. Nor do I even think being a hick is a bad thing; it is a way of life chosen by those people, with free choice and election; I think a more nationalist UK would be a lot less divided and more interesting.

Also, look at the wholly different attitudes to nationalism and immigration in Aus/NZ. The liberal parties, if you just went by immigration policy alone, would seem positively BNP and racist were they in the UK. (Not that BNP were judged on their other policies.)
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US is held back by the lowest common demonitator, of uneducated religious folk. Some of them in the Democrat ranks, though they get a lot less attention than the more progressive wing of Obama-Clinton.
You're just ignant, the nerve to suggest that The USA, a democracy, is being held back by 'the lowest common denominator of uneducated religious folk', is to suggest that the majority of Americans, or at least a very, large and therefore controlling minority of Americans are inherently inferior and "uneducated", at least partly due to the fact that they are more religious across the pond.
It's ignant.
You're ignant.
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US is held back by the lowest common demonitator, of uneducated religious folk. Some of them in the Democrat ranks, though they get a lot less attention than the more progressive wing of Obama-Clinton.
You're just ignant, the nerve to suggest that The USA, a democracy, is being held back by 'the lowest common denominator of uneducated religious folk', is to suggest that the majority of Americans, or at least a very, large and therefore controlling minority of Americans are inherently inferior and "uneducated", at least partly due to the fact that they are more religious across the pond.
It's ignant.
You're ignant.
I said they were uneducated, not that they couldn't spell.
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Gosh, you must be a condescending ****. x
And an 'ignant' person as well... Terrible.
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Gosh, you must be a condescending ****. x
Yeah, those dumb red necks who think mass migration might not be a great thing or that people should believe in traditional values not meaningless consumerist drivel.

Liberal atheists are perhaps academically cleverer than ‘trailer trash’ but outside of their bubble are utterly clueless
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Yeah, those dumb red necks who think mass migration might not be a great thing or that people should believe in traditional values not meaningless consumerist drivel.

Liberal atheists are perhaps academically cleverer than ‘trailer trash’ but outside of their bubble are utterly clueless
I never said being a red neck is a bad thing. Just that those people must be pleased before you can have passable policies. Which means that the generic US policy is a lot different to the generic UK policy.

Importantly, you'll find this answers OP's question. It is only a bonus that it offended you in the process.
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I find it interesting that we try to compare ourselves to the Americans. In reality despite common ancestry, alliances and language, we are a million miles away in terms of attitude to life and living. We are closer to our European allies politically than the US. The overriding theme of American psyche is the American Dream. The idea that if you work hard, you can achieve your goals. I can' think of anything like that in the UK although perhaps we have a concept of fair play, stiff upper lip and common sense.
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By hick you mean the trailer/redneck types right?

Would you consider them the US equivalent of our neds and chavs? Neds/chavs also vote for similar policies, e.g. BNP/EDL
Well, the terms are at odds. Hicks live in isolated rural communities and chavs live in urban areas. Hicks might be in work, be opposed to socialised welfare and be positively religious/traditional. Chavs might not be in work, in receipt of socialised welfare and tend to be atheistic. The nationalism of the Hick is more "sophisticated", as in formed over decades -- e.g. ties to military/veterans and traditional American big ideas (rights to arms). There is no deep or sophisticated belief system of the chav, other than to be disengaged from mainstream society.

Hick was illustrative; really it goes much wider than the rural types.
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Just that those people must be pleased before you can have passable policies.
Please elaborate on this please.


As an ex 4chan user, I assure you nothing you could do could offend me.
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I find it interesting that we try to compare ourselves to the Americans. In reality despite common ancestry, alliances and language, we are a million miles away in terms of attitude to life and living. We are closer to our European allies politically than the US. The overriding theme of American psyche is the American Dream. The idea that if you work hard, you can achieve your goals. I can' think of anything like that in the UK although perhaps we have a concept of fair play, stiff upper lip and common sense.
If you want to compare our politics to another Anglophone country, we're far more politically similar to Canada than the US.
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The US is not a democracy in the same sense of most European countries. It is a constitutional republic based on the ideology of the founding fathers who opposed European style democracy on the basis that it is mob rule.

The US political system is not based on parties with distinct and clear ideologies but on the concept of one party to govern and one party to keep check. The American public overwhelmingly supports this possibly unique in the world arrangement and it explains why parties other than the Democrats and Republicans are very small with limited public support.
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How similar or dissimilar are the tories to the republicans? Most people think the tories are closer to the democrats because there is a very strong element of religious traditionalism in the republician party which is almost nonexistent in our tory party.

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At least in the uk, most parties are pretty secular (as in the don't really give a **** about christian values, etc...), just how it should be.

Of course, there are probably a few Tory MPs who do care about religion and the Northen Irish parties... well religion for them, does play a big part in their idelogies.

The DUP support protestantism and British unionism. Sinn Fein doesn't really seem to support a certain religion, but they want Irish Republicanism, and generally supporters of Sinn Fein tend to be Catholic. Not to mention, Sinn Fein had past links with the IRA who support Catholicism.
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At least in the uk, most parties are pretty secular (as in the don't really give a **** about christian values, etc...), just how it should be.
The BNP became a Christian party after 2005ish under its phoney vicar Robert West.

There is a small party called the Christian Peoples Alliance.

I find it strange how there are no parties for non-Christian religions.
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How similar or dissimilar are the tories to the republicans? Most people think the tories are closer to the democrats because there is a very strong element of religious traditionalism in the republician party which is almost nonexistent in our tory party.

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The Tories have a religious lobby and a religious voter base, but the leaders are mostly neoliberal - a similar thing happens with the Republicans (i.e. Bloomberg). The issue is more that the Tories have taken in the centre-ground in the UK (Macron), whereas the Republicans lost that to the Democrats in the US. The US consequently does not have a left-wing socialist party.
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