Assuming that people don't end up at the top universities because they don't put in enough hard work is a very simplistic and naive view. Also some of us would rather study a subject we actually enjoy at a lower-ranked uni than go to a more ~prestigious~ one in the hope that it'll impress people. Going to a good uni is not a substitute for a personality.
- niche/technical subjects have a very different "top tier" than academic subjects; many of which fall out of the top academic usual suspects list
- lack of grades; potentially using the uni as a stop gap on the way back up to a top one (e.g. transferring, postgrad)
- significant care responsibilities that limit choice of university
- the career path they want to go down is agnostic to university reputation so other factors take precedence
- big fish, small pond. easier to get better grades and stand out at a not-so-top university
- maybe locked-in to some kind of degree apprenticeship scheme
probably more but i cba to think of them. i do generally agree that for someone doing an academic degree there's little value in going out of the top ~40-50 universities unless a university has specific strengths (e.g. Bournemouth's relationship with JPMorgan, etc) or you're going to upgrade institutions at some point. if it's niche, whatever list of good unis in that niche.
(Original post by King Arthur 284)
I was doing research into a top university, the workload is a lot harder, they do more modules and are marked more harshly. While a bottom tier university, do half the modules, easier content and can pretty much party all year and attain a first. Which why a university like oxford attains the same number of firsts from a University like London Southbank or London Met for the same degree!
In other words a university outside the top tier, are pretty much worthless.
No one mentioned Medicine / Dentistry etc. yet. I am just going to copy myself and paste what I wrote yesterday for a similar question.
Note some UK medical schools are officially ranked lower than top 30.
No one (not patients, not other doctors, not nurses) cares about which UK medical school you graduated from. As far as UK specialty training / selection is concerned, where you graduated from plays no part in the scoring system. Your degree certificate is merely asked to prove that you have graduated and are eligible to work in the UK as a doctor.
There are differences in post-grad exam pass rates, but that probably result from the sort of people who applied to Oxbridge / UCL in the first place rather than the med school.
The Cambridge competition ratio was 4.9 to 1; while some of the highest were Brighton Sussex - either Uni of Brighton or Uni of Sussex are ranked lower or around 50! (18.2 to 1), Keele (15.6 to 1), Aberdeen (14.5 to 1) and Dundee (12.5 to 1). For comparison Oxford's competition ratio was 9.5 to 1, and Leicester (ranked outside 30!) was 9.7 to 1.
There are only 30 odd medical schools in the UK, and all are GMC regulated. Post-graduation all UK medical graduates are treated the same with no discrimination in specialty training - hence the competition is even overall.
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The real question here is why go to university at all. Why would you go get a 50k 3/4 year degree when you can go do an apprenticeship and become an engineer, accountant, coder, or in a trade. All with a salary and maybe with sponsorship. Even if you go get a STEM degree sure you have a 1st class degree in maths from a RG and thats awesome. But you could have alternatively become a fully qualifed accoutant now you could be on 30k a year with no debt. And whats more you'll probably never use your degree and go into a totally diffrent field. Go into a school leavers job desguised as a grad job. Perhaps finance and go do an accounting contract you could have done 4 years ago straight out of school. Go to uni go to uni go to uni they all say. But none of them have ever been a unemployed grad or talk from a general view and don't appreciate everyone is diffrent. Look at the GYG section full of ppl working hard to go study a micky mouse degree from a third rate uni. All backed up by big boy mods who think they know but have no qualifications or experience to provide any advice
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(Original post by King Arthur 284)
Those people that base their whole life and personality about going to oxford as you say are elitist pricks
They’re the pricks??
And animal care is a problem?
By your logic we could save a fortune overall on this. Let’s get all pre fives to do an iq test. If they’re clearly not going to make top 30, let’s not send them to school at all.
We could have them put out to work. Let them earn their keep
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For law, London south bank ranks 13th and asks for ABB so it’s hardly a bottom tier uni is it? It’s certainly not comparable to London met
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