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(Original post by Sammylou40)
Absolutely nothing!
This is a late developer you’re dealing with here though.
Spent some years in “hospitality” ( see burger flipping)
Before deciding that he would go to oxbridge “or similar “ at 24 and be the next financial whizz. Not.

Wouldn’t waste your time
I’ve never flipped burgers in my life, I don’t know where you’ve got all that bs from
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A Computer Science graduate from Brighton earns more after five years than a Psychology grad from Warwick or an English grad from Durham. This is such a useless discussion.
How’s about you compare a computer science graduate from Brighton to say computer science graduate from Oxbridge, Durham, warwick etc
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If you wanna be an ST, let the appropriate SL know. Until then ...

And there are plenty of people who do let their education define them, so they do possess some of these myopic and foolish viewpoints. Not obvious troll, just very likely.
Not that it's any of your business, but I was offered a position on the ST and had to turn it down due to personal commitments. Nor is being an ST relevant, when it's the CT responding to reported threads.

As for whether they are trolling or not, see my other post. Beyond that, I'm not going to be discussing this further within the thread.
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(Original post by King Arthur 284)
I’ve never flipped burgers in my life, I don’t know where you’ve got all that bs from
Burger flipping is a generalisation. From your earlier threads worrying about keeping up with younger applicants
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Ok.. so again, how is that helpful? You're basing your counterpoint on the median salaries of the random career choices of folks that graduated at some point in the past.

An assortment of people doing Psychology or English then choosing a variety of career paths based on their own preferences doesn't tell you squat about any one individual's potential after pursuing a subject. For all you know, those folks couldn't care less about working in big business so they chose teaching or they chose to work in non-profits or they chose to work on a freelance basis doing something creative.

The same can be said for CompScis but they are far, far more herd-like and all tend to funnel themselves into software jobs or lame stuff in IT.

Apologies for lashing out but people I honestly think people need to use their critical thinking skills more when talking about grad destinations and median salaries. Also unis should make this stuff more clear so that BS statements like "I expect to earn £X as an English grad" or "History grads from Y uni only earn X" can stop being uttered.
I wasn't claiming anything beyond the idea that this top <multiple of ten> discussion is largely pointless. I wasn't arguing that doing Computer Science at Brighton is better than doing English at Durham, not that that choice is likely anyway. I put those numbers up there to address OP's claim that going to a uni outside the top 30 is worthless. If a degree at Brighton is so useless then aren't CompScis there earning £20k five years after graduating?

And as you said, it could be the case that inherent personality is the explanatory variable that leads to both subject choice and employment outcomes. In which case, the argument that university prestige or ranking is significant beyond the very top falls apart.
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Welcome to the 21th century, where society is based on elitism.
Oxbridge is a special case, a top uni in general does not = instant high paying job. It depends on the individual themselves rather than the uni they graduated from, a first from a lower rank will always look better than a 2.1 from a Russel Group uni (Excluding Oxbridge), it shows you have more knowledge in your field and will be more of a help to your employers. High academia does not mean like others said that employers also have to reward you, they will just choose whoever they see more fit, whether it be from a low or top ranked uni.
Why is Oxbridge a special case exactly to say durham, lse, Warwick, ucl etc?
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Not that it's any of your business, but I was offered a position on the ST and had to turn it down due to personal commitments. Nor is being an ST relevant, when it's the CT responding to reported threads.

As for whether they are trolling or not, see my other post. Beyond that, I'm not going to be discussing this further within the thread.
Aye, pal. Don't think I said the ST as a diss; being a CA or ST is not something I respect in the least, as they let in too many sub-par users. I was pointing out that you have not been given the responsibility, so don't second-guess people who have.
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How’s about you compare a computer science graduate from Brighton to say computer science graduate from Oxbridge, Durham, warwick etc
That's not your argument. You're saying there's no point in going to a uni below the top 30. If you're right then a CompSci grad from Brighton should be no better off than someone leaving school and going straight into employment.
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The unemployment comment is a troll but I genuinely think this guy is so deluded and/or insecure that he believes this stuff.
Nothing about delusion, it’s just obvious facts
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This has to be one of the most silly threads I have come across. I hope for your sake, you're just a troll and not serious.

I did a pharmacy degree at university and I had a choice between studying at Manchester University and another university which is ranked much lower, I ended up going to the latter because I simply preferred the environment of that university better. Right now, I am probably earning more than the vast majority of people that went to "top tier" universities. And in the next few years, given the fact I will be having a few businesses, my salary will sky rocket further. Therefore, as you can see, it did not matter what university I went to. If you're competent, you will do well regardless.

This tier system is misleading. in the vast majority of cases, it really does not matter what university you go to if you're already someone who is competent. This is especially true if you're doing a vocational degree.
Well did your degree help at all, sounds to me like a self employed person. So in essence wasting 50k, when you could have started your business without a degree in ‘pharmacy’.
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I don’t know why people are complaining, university out of top 30 is a waste of t8me really, you’d be much better off with an apprenticeship.

Though an exception is made for a uni out of the top 30 which is top in its field ie. real estate management
Completely agree
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My course wasn’t offered at some unis so I’m happy with my “low ranking” uni
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It’s different, not gonna lie, but you had to continue your study in order to secure a job in the first place.
So do most people who want to go into roles which require specialist knowledge or a high level of training. You can't get into most of those fields without a Masters degree at least these days, the competition is simply too high.
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So do most people who want to go into roles which require specialist knowledge or a high level of training. You can't get into most of those fields without a Masters degree at least these days, the competition is simply too high.
Lol, cos having a master's degree is difficult.
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Aye, pal. Don't think I said the ST as a diss; being a CA or ST is not something I respect in the least, as they let in too many sub-par users. I was pointing out that you have not been given the responsibility, so don't second-guess people who have.
I know what point you were trying to make, pal. I'm merely inquiring why this thread would get different treatment to numerous threads I've reported in the past. No action has been taken, so there's nothing to second guess. Your apparent disdain with how many sub par users we let in (you realise the sign up is automated right?) is not something I care about. But there is something hypocritical about a regular user telling a CA not to inquire about the processes used by the ST. If you want to continue this pointless discussion, you can PM me.
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Lol, cos having a master's degree is difficult.
It is for some. Years ago just having a first degree was enough to make you stand out from the crowd but now everyone has a first degree plus a Level 7 qualification or higher.
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Depends on what you consider as top 30 (which also varies greatly from course to course), as well as other factors. Every uni has its own strength. For some courses (take Maths for example), the course structure are almost identical to most of RG uni, though RG uni tend to get slightly into more depth but at the end of the degree you would have learnt almost the exact same thing. Most graduate employers do not take your university institution into consideration (e.g. big 4 accounting firms) and their application process is mostly strength based, so it seems pointless to just focus on top 30 for a career. There are numerous other factors such as bursaries and scholarship (which a lot of unis past the top 30 are generous to give), location (some do not want to leave their current location or do not want to travel), family reasons.

Some unis outside the top 30 have far more industrial links and opportunities than a select others within the top 30 for specific courses, take engineering at Heriot-Watt and Swansea for example. Both unis have a more practical course which prepares them very well for industrial jobs (hence why their employment rate is very high), as well as useful career modules (Swansea offers their engineering students to go to Tata Steels a few times a week to gain practical experience, as well as reimburse them... though space is very limited).
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So do most people who want to go into roles which require specialist knowledge or a high level of training. You can't get into most of those fields without a Masters degree at least these days, the competition is simply too high.
A masters degree will make you stand out over someone from a top uni who just has a degree. Yes sure, but my point here was about a normal degree. You saying ‘competition is too high’, thats because they only employ from Russell group or great unis groups. So you had to take a masters and that will make you suddenly stand out.
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I wasn't claiming anything beyond the idea that this top <multiple of ten> discussion is largely pointless. I wasn't arguing that doing Computer Science at Brighton is better than doing English at Durham, not that that choice is likely anyway. I put those numbers up there to address OP's claim that going to a uni outside the top 30 is worthless. If a degree at Brighton is so useless then aren't CompScis there earning £20k five years after graduating?

And as you said, it could be the case that inherent personality is the explanatory variable that leads to both subject choice and employment outcomes. In which case, the argument that university prestige or ranking is significant beyond the very top falls apart.
I generally agree with OP but only when talking about academic degrees that are open-ended with respect to career choice. CompSci is open-ended/academic but a large majority tend to self-select into a technical career that is (outside of the big top tech companies/VC-backed startups) largely institution agnostic.

There are some scenarios where the claim that "the value proposition of going to a non-top X uni is generally not worth it" holds but there are also cases where it doesn't. So it's not that OP is incorrect it's just that there's far more nuance behind these kinds of claims that it can't be boiled down to some universal statement.
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I think it's more like top 100 not 30
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