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comes directly from my Karl Marx shaped heart..
Reminds me of when my uni’s Marxist society was giving out ‘never kiss a Tory’ stickers
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for Earth!!! every our brothers and sister yearn for a communistic revolution!
I struggle to believe you. History tells me otherwise.
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Because capitalism has failed us all, poverty and unemployment are very high - we have our own government telling families to go foodbanks.

Luxury communism is the future.
Luxury communism is the most bourgeois ideology i've ever heard of...
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Luxury communism is the most bourgeois ideology i've ever heard of...
The bourgeois are an antonym of everything that communism stands for.

The rate of technological progress and worker productivity is on the rise, but wages are stagnating, factories are eliminating jobs, and researchers estimate that anywhere between 35 and 50 percent of jobs that exist now are in danger of being lost to automation. These technological advances represent a significant challenge to capitalism - just look at amazon and iphone factories.

Further advances in robots, AI, machine learning, big data, etc. Will make human labour redundant and instead of creating even further inequalities it will lead to a post-work society where everyone lives in luxury and where machines produce everything. Humans would be required to do very minimal work — perhaps as little as 10–12 hours a week — on quality control and similar oversight, to ensure luxury for everyone.

So...Yes, we may very well all be wearing haute couture overalls imported from Italy 50 years or so from now while working from home most days.
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(Original post by Haviland-Tuf)
Because capitalism has failed us all, poverty and unemployment are very high - we have our own government telling families to go foodbanks.

Luxury communism is the future.
Communism UGH

Sorry but no communism is better than any type of it. Let it die with the Soviet Union
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Really? Do you propose communism for Israel then?
The system is unrealistic. At least today. But the idea is too attractive to die.
In fact there were attempts to implement some concepts of communism in Israel in form of Kibbutz. They failed.
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The bourgeois are an antonym of everything that communism stands for.

The rate of technological progress and worker productivity is on the rise, but wages are stagnating, factories are eliminating jobs, and researchers estimate that anywhere between 35 and 50 percent of jobs that exist now are in danger of being lost to automation. These technological advances represent a significant challenge to capitalism - just look at amazon and iphone factories.

Further advances in robots, AI, machine learning, big data, etc. Will make human labour redundant and instead of creating even further inequalities it will lead to a post-work society where everyone lives in luxury and where machines produce everything. Humans would be required to do very minimal work — perhaps as little as 10–12 hours a week — on quality control and similar oversight, to ensure luxury for everyone.

So...Yes, we may very well all be wearing haute couture overalls imported from Italy 50 years or so from now while working from home most days.
I can't take this seriously.
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The bourgeois are an antonym of everything that communism stands for.

The rate of technological progress and worker productivity is on the rise, but wages are stagnating, factories are eliminating jobs, and researchers estimate that anywhere between 35 and 50 percent of jobs that exist now are in danger of being lost to automation. These technological advances represent a significant challenge to capitalism - just look at amazon and iphone factories.

Further advances in robots, AI, machine learning, big data, etc. Will make human labour redundant and instead of creating even further inequalities it will lead to a post-work society where everyone lives in luxury and where machines produce everything. Humans would be required to do very minimal work — perhaps as little as 10–12 hours a week — on quality control and similar oversight, to ensure luxury for everyone.

So...Yes, we may very well all be wearing haute couture overalls imported from Italy 50 years or so from now while working from home most days.
Communism is simply another materialistic social order. I will say it again: Communism and capitalism are two sides of the same semitic coin, with no spiritual aspect to them. These are anti-natural ideologies.
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Communism UGH

Sorry but no communism is better than any type of it. Let it die with the Soviet Union
Communism is a Human society where we take care of each other and we are no longer divided by racism, sexism or homophobia and the profit motive no longer rules over us. Production is based on Human need and nothing else - its very, very simple.

When you talk about the USSR and China, they were not communist countries they were counter revolutionary totalitarian dictatorships and yes Stalin was a totalitarian dictator. The Bolshevik revolution was smashed to pieces by 14 foreign armies from the UK, Germany to Japan. You can't vote communism in, you build communism through our collective Human struggles.

Capitalism doesn't work for most of us - you'll soon realise this when you experience poverty or become redundant and have to use food banks or worse sleep rough.
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Communism is a Human society where we take care of each other and we are no longer divided by racism, sexism or homophobia and the profit motive no longer rules over us. Production is based on Human need and nothing else - its very, very simple.

When you talk about the USSR and China, they were not communist countries they were counter revolutionary totalitarian dictatorships and yes Stalin was a totalitarian dictator. The Bolshevik revolution was smashed to pieces by 14 foreign armies from the UK, Germany to Japan. You can't vote communism in, you build communism through our collective Human struggles.

Capitalism doesn't work for most of us - you'll soon realise this when you experience poverty or become redundant and have to use food banks or worse sleep rough.
'sexism racism and homophobia' don't exist anyway, they're grammatical inventions of neo-marxist leon trotsky of the 1920s! Of course its easy to say communism claims to quash these sins that it has on its own back invented.
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Communism is a Human society where we take care of each other and we are no longer divided by racism, sexism or homophobia and the profit motive no longer rules over us. Production is based on Human need and nothing else - its very, very simple.

When you talk about the USSR and China, they were not communist countries they were counter revolutionary totalitarian dictatorships and yes Stalin was a totalitarian dictator. The Bolshevik revolution was smashed to pieces by 14 foreign armies from the UK, Germany to Japan. You can't vote communism in, you build communism through our collective Human struggles.

Capitalism doesn't work for most of us - you'll soon realise this when you experience poverty or become redundant and have to use food banks or worse sleep rough.
My parents already experienced the highs and lows of capitalism and they still prefer it.
Hard work does pay off.
I really think capitalism is the best thing we have.
Communism hasn’t worked at all and even using your point, we haven’t even seen it in action.
Why has it been so difficult to ‘properly’ implement communism?
There’s many examples of capitalism in action but no examples of ‘actual’ communism?
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Because capitalism has failed us all, poverty and unemployment are very high - we have our own government telling families to go foodbanks.

Luxury communism is the future.
Everybody wants to live in Paradise. The only problem is how to build it..
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Why has it been so difficult to ‘properly’ implement communism?
Because it needs a new, different type of mentality.
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My parents already experienced the highs and lows of capitalism and they still prefer it.
Hard work does pay off.
I really think capitalism is the best thing we have.
Communism hasn’t worked at all and even using your point, we haven’t even seen it in action.
Why has it been so difficult to ‘properly’ implement communism?
There’s many examples of capitalism in action but no examples of ‘actual’ communism?
Hard work pays off? Are you suggesting that the proletarian and low-paid workers in the UK don't work hard? That's a very broad brush stroke - people who are low paid often get scapegoated because they get mislabled as being low-skilled when in fact the rich and our government don't invest in the work force or engage them because keeping them poor and working long hours for peanuts and creating jobs that nobody wants to do is the underlying operating strategy of capitalism.

I've already answered your question about why actual communism hasn't happened yet - because automation and machine tech hasn't peaked yet. We are already seeing redundancy and unemployment spike because of the inherent contradiction of automation to reduce labour costs in a capitalist society that leaves your workforce... well out of work.
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'sexism racism and homophobia' don't exist anyway.
Now, it's my turn to not take you seriously!
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(Original post by Haviland-Tuf)
Now, it's my turn to not take you seriously!
These are terms from a marxist vocabulary. I'm not a marxist so they bear little significance. Just as marxism has become defunct, so should its grammartology.
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marxism will prevail

o wait, that’s communism

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It would be technically incorrect to call Marxism and communism Jewish ideologies as they are completely incompatible with the Torah and traditional Jewish beliefs. What I find intriguing is that many of the 'greatest' minds in communism during the 19th and early 20th century were in the heads of people of Jewish heritage.

It is questionable and debatable whether Marx was a Jew, a former Jew, a Protestant, or a former Protestant himself, but why exactly were so many people of Jewish origin attracted to Marxism in the 19th and early 20th century then they renounced their religious beliefs?

Marxism wasn't specifically written as an ideology for Jews but by 1900 it had taken on a (possibly unexpected) Jewish angle that was not prevalent amongst non-Marxists strains of socialism that were competing for public support from the downtrodden masses.

Were people of Jewish origin ultimately responsible for keeping the flame of Marxism burning right up to the present day?
Marxism and communism and the Jewish faith are indeed completely incompatible. Marxism and communism are vehmentally anti-religion ideologies. Most all fundamental principles of communism go against the teachings of Jewish Law.

Why were so many people of Jewish descent Marxists? Thats not true. Most of the greatest icons of Marxism and communism were not only not Jews but very anti-semitic. I gave Jean Paul Sartre as an example of one such person before. In the 1800s when Marxism and communism rose in power Jews were treated as an inferior class in most western societies. They lived in adverse poverty. Their only salvation was education, which is heavily ingrained in Jewish culture. This is why the Jewish people gave birth to some of the greatest scientific minds of Europe foremost of which was Albert Einstein. For every Jewish icon in Marxism you can find a hundred non-Jews. The idea that most marxist and communist theorists were Jewish is a very anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. The powers of the time used these ideas and the racism prevalent in society against Jews to wage their war against Marxism and communism. hey!! its the jews that are behind these movements! let's get them!!

Marxism was not written for Jews. Quite the oppsite, often its texts were inked by people who loathed Jews and wanted war against them. Take Karl Marx's "The Jewish Question", a concept and text later adopted and adapted by the Nazis to justify their genocide against the Jewish people. In it Karl Marx gave birth to the idea that all things bad suffered in society were foreign to western values and brought about by Jewish influence on society in pursuit of power and control. He praid on the racism prevelent in society in the 1800s against the Jews to market his ideas. The Jewish people were living in adverse poverty and this lunatic was writing texts about how they had power and control. Ideas not very much unlike those of 1930s Nazi Germany's Nationalist Socialist party. I mean, yes, the Nazi's were socialists. They owed much of their ideas to people like Karl Marx.

The Jewish people suffered genocide at the hands of Marxist ideologies like communism. They fled the USSR to Israel. No, Jews did not keep the flames of Marxism alive. Much of these anti-semitic ideas their origin comes from racists who wanted to encourage society to rise up against communism and marxism using a racism intrinsic in western culture, that of JEWSS!!! being behind the whole thing.
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I am well aware that Marxists are overwhelmingly feminists but where exactly did the connection between Marxism and feminism take place in the past? Did Marx himself even spend any time thinking about abortion or consider it an issue high on his agenda?
Marxism gave birth to feminism in the 1960s when "woman's rights activists" adopted the ideas of a book called The Second Sex written by Jean Paul Sartre's companion and Marxist icon Simone De Beauvoir. In this book she took Jean Paul Sartre's Marxist, existentialist idea of "othering" and applied it to sex. Othering, putting it simply, is the idea that people can relate to each other in one of two ways, either through mutual respect, or by means of a relationship in which one is the object and the other the dominating subject. For Sartre the subject was the bourgeois (the wealthy class) and the object was the proletariat (the working class). Sartre believed that we lived in a world where the bourgeois oppressed the proletariat. Simone took this idea and replaced the words prolitariat and bourgeois with man and woman. Thusly was born the idea of the patriarchy and feminism. The idea that we live in a world where men are a privileged class that systematically oppresses women. This is how Marxism gave birth to feminism.
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Marxism and communism and the Jewish faith are indeed completely incompatible. Marxism and communism are vehmentally anti-religion ideologies. Most all fundamental principles of communism go against the teachings of Jewish Law.

Why were so many people of Jewish descent Marxists? Thats not true. Most of the greatest icons of Marxism and communism were not only not Jews but very anti-semitic. I gave Jean Paul Sartre as an example of one such person before. In the 1800s when Marxism and communism rose in power Jews were treated as an inferior class in most western societies. They lived in adverse poverty. Their only salvation was education, which is heavily ingrained in Jewish culture. This is why the Jewish people gave birth to some of the greatest scientific minds of Europe foremost of which was Albert Einstein. For every Jewish icon in Marxism you can find a hundred non-Jews. The idea that most marxist and communist theorists were Jewish is a very anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. The powers of the time used these ideas and the racism prevalent in society against Jews to wage their war against Marxism and communism. hey!! its the jews that are behind these movements! let's get them!!

Marxism was not written for Jews. Quite the oppsite, often its texts were inked by people who loathed Jews and wanted war against them. Take Karl Marx's "The Jewish Question", a concept and text later adopted and adapted by the Nazis to justify their genocide against the Jewish people. In it Karl Marx gave birth to the idea that all things bad suffered in society were foreign to western values and brought about by Jewish influence on society in pursuit of power and control. He praid on the racism prevelent in society in the 1800s against the Jews to market his ideas. The Jewish people were living in adverse poverty and this lunatic was writing texts about how they had power and control. Ideas not very much unlike those of 1930s Nazi Germany's Nationalist Socialist party. I mean, yes, the Nazi's were socialists. They owed much of their ideas to people like Karl Marx.

The Jewish people suffered genocide at the hands of Marxist ideologies like communism. They fled the USSR to Israel. No, Jews did not keep the flames of Marxism alive. Much of these anti-semitic ideas their origin comes from racists who wanted to encourage society to rise up against communism and marxism using a racism intrinsic in western culture, that of JEWSS!!! being behind the whole thing.
80% of Bolshevik revolutionaries were Jewish. Read the English translation of Solzhenitsyn's '200 years together, a russo-jewish history' which has only just been published for reasons you can probably imagine.

http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-co...-Encrypted.pdf
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