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can I disagree on a how successfully question on English language?
And what is the structure you use for this type of question?

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can I disagree on a how successfully question on English language?
And what is the structure you use for this type of question?

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No, whether its successful or not . its succesful now so argue that its successful
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No, whether its successful or not . its succesful now so argue that its successful
thanks for taking your time to help me could you also tell me what structure you would use
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You can argue against the statement, but it is definitely not recommended. I was with Edexcel, and I assume you are too (with the fifteen-mark tariff being mentioned). I never argued against the statement because I was not penalised for doing so (and staunchly dissuaded from doing so by my teacher), despite the command word being 'evaluate' and AO4 being assessed here.

The structure that I always used was to write (or type in my case) an answer consisting of three paragraphs. In each of the three, I'd talk about why an element of SITE (settings, ideas, themes and events) made a certain theme or aspect of the excerpt successful. Obviously, I'd omit the element of SITE that I thought was irrelevant (this was usually the 'setting' element).

All of my paragraphs in this question (Q4 on Paper 1 and Q6 on Paper 2) would always begin with 'evaluative' language to show my focus on AO4 (e.g. 'masterfully manipulates', 'cleverly crafts', 'the writer's exemplary inclusion of...' etc.). After that, I'd include the element of SITE my paragraph would discuss and embed a quote. Then, I would delve deeper into this aspect of the excerpt and also explain its effect on the reader to end the paragraph. I would repeat this process until I had made produced three paragraphs.

Three in-depth paragraphs are as sufficient as four paragraphs (which is what was actually recommended).

Good luck!
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can I disagree on a how successfully question on English language?
And what is the structure you use for this type of question?

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4 advance marks for correcting the question... I know, good English is orrid.
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It’s important to include counter arguments to show that you understand both sides, but they mainly want you to be able to argue whatever point they’ve given you
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It’s important to include counter arguments to show that you understand both sides, but they mainly want you to be able to argue whatever point they’ve given you
The mark-scheme never asks for a balanced answer with arguments on both sides of the fence though. You can get full marks without arguing against the statement.
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The mark-scheme never asks for a balanced answer with arguments on both sides of the fence though. You can get full marks without arguing against the statement.
It does have you read the mark scheme? I didn’t say sit on on fence I mean include counter arguments such as “some might argue that.... however this is outweighed by....” this is only OCR though I’m not sure if you must do it for AQA
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It does have you read the mark scheme? I didn’t say sit on on fence I mean include counter arguments such as “some might argue that.... however this is outweighed by....” this is only OCR though I’m not sure if you must do it for AQA
For Edexcel, it does not.
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For Edexcel, it does not.
Okay? The question didn’t state which exam board and I never said it was integral it was just a piece of advice because for the top marks it says “Arguments and counter-arguments are stated in their strongest forms”
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I do AQA, and this question is worth 16 marks on Paper 1 and 20 marks on Paper 2, I believe. My English teacher says to agree with the statement, unless you can really explain yourself and find quotes disagreeing with the statement.
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Okay? The question didn’t state which exam board and I never said it was integral it was just a piece of advice because for the top marks it says “Arguments and counter-arguments are stated in their strongest forms”
There is no fifteen-mark question that solely focuses on AO4 with OCR. I have just checked both of their papers and their mark-schemes. I don't know why you would assume it was them. The OP also mentions 'how successfully', which is phrasing that is used in Edexcel's AO4 questions.
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There is no fifteen-mark question that solely focuses on AO4 with OCR. I have just checked both of their papers and their mark-schemes. I don't know why you would assume it was them. The OP also mentions 'how successfully', which is phrasing that is used in Edexcel's AO4 questions.
I’m just going to send you a link to the mark scheme because you’re not understanding me 😂
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I’m just going to send you a link to the mark scheme because you’re not understanding me 😂
You do what you want, but anything relating to OCR (including the demands of their mark-scheme for AO4) is pretty much irrelevant here. A little bit of inference suggests that this is for Edexcel.
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thanks for taking your time to help me could you also tell me what structure you would use
I’d love to help but I’m really not good at English, Ik all the questions and what you need to do for each of them but my structure isn’t a good example. I usually just do a paragraph for each success I find and then a conclusion, but I would take my advice I got 9/15 on it in my mock. Which is good for me but probably not for most people
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