Meat tax? Green proposal from Caroline Lucas Watch

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Green MP Caroline Lucas is to propose a tax on meat.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...sustainability

Industrialised meat production is a major producer of CO2 and also contributes significantly to global poor health. In the West (and increasingly in Asia), excessive meat consumption and poor quality meat caused by industrialised methods is a major cause of disease.

Better manure management and careful selection of feed can both help reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but – at the risk of incurring the wrath of the energy secretary, who said recently that encouraging people to eat less meat would be the worst sort of nanny state ever – we need serious consideration of measures like a meat tax.” - Caroline Lucas.

Taxes would work like the plastic bag tax and would ideally be something like £1 on a pack of bacon, £2 on an industrialised chicken and £5 on an industrialised turkey, etc.

Revenues would go to the social welfare and healthcare sectors.

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No disrespect to OP but I can't be bothered to read any of her stuff, all that Guardianista waffle is what should be taxed. It's enough to have the BBC promoting veganism everywhere they can already, we hear them.
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£1 on a £2 pack of bacon? Ah well i'm sure the black market will come to the rescue.
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No disrespect to OP but I can't be bothered to read any of her stuff, all that Guardianista waffle is what should be taxed.
Even sceptical sources accept that agribusiness generates 10-20% of global warming, so no, it isn't waffle.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/how...ute-to-gw.html
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blah blah blah. this is another wacko veganism attempt. leave my meat alone!
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blah blah blah. this is another wacko veganism attempt. leave my meat alone!
We can't. We want your meat! To put in the dustbin of history. :teehee:
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Even sceptical sources accept that agribusiness generates 10-20% of global warming, so no, it isn't waffle.
What I regard as waffle is this notion that you can make meat so expensive that people will have to stop consuming it, people like Lucas can only do taxation and banning. It's the type of talk to be found only among the educated metropolitan elites, really.
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We can't. We want your meat! To put in the dustbin of history. :teehee:
dustbin, dear God, are you a feminist?
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What I regard as waffle is this notion that you can make meat so expensive that people will have to stop consuming it, people like Lucas can only do taxation and banning. It's the type of talk to be found only among the educated metropolitan elites, really.
Actually taxes work very well as a means of reducing negative or unwanted behaviours - radically increasing taxes on cigarettes for example had a big impact on persuading the addicts to give up or cut back.

Beef farming in particular is utterly unsustainable now. The world cannot feed its growing population and also feed the rich on beef. People addicted to eating beef are going to have to ask themselves which is more important, their beef habit or starving the poor. A workable alternative is to make it more expensive.
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dustbin, dear God, are you a feminist?
I am a survivalist.
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What I regard as waffle is this notion that you can make meat so expensive that people will have to stop consuming it, people like Lucas can only do taxation and banning. It's the type of talk to be found only among the educated metropolitan elites, really.
It's a rather unfair move on the consumers, particularly those with low income. It would probably just end up hurting the UK's meat industry too.

Instead the government should focus on providing positve incentives to farmers and other suppliers to switch to productions and methods with lower GHG output (such as non-synthetic fertilisers, or methane recovery and better manure management) rather than taxing consumers for the sin of buying the foods they like.
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We can't. We want your meat! To put in the dustbin of history. :teehee:
This is a pity, as the Green Party council in Brighton has one of the worst recycling records in the UK. Year after year it demonstrates that it hasn't got a grip on a basic local authority responsibility, and one that must surely be dear to its heart.

Now it wants to compound that dismal record by sticking an unwanted and clumsy finger into the nation's agribusiness pie and ruin the nation's economy and health in one fell swoop.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
Actually taxes work very well as a means of reducing negative or unwanted behaviours - radically increasing taxes on cigarettes for example had a big impact on persuading the addicts to give up or cut back.

Beef farming in particular is utterly unsustainable now. The world cannot feed its growing population and also feed the rich on beef. People addicted to eating beef are going to have to ask themselves which is more important, their beef habit or starving the poor. A workable alternative is to make it more expensive.
How does putting up the price of food help the poor? :lol:
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How does putting up the price of food help the poor? :lol:
It is a triple whammy for the poor. They will not be able to afford the meat that gives them basic nutrients, won't understand the need to supplement a vegan diet to make it heal;thy and won't be able to afford the artificial supplements that are needed to make it healthy.

Who cares about the poor? Certainly not the regressive puritanical 'liberals'.
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It is a triple whammy for the poor. They will not be able to afford the meat that gives them basic nutrients, won't understand the need to supplement a vegan diet to make it heal;thy and won't be able to afford the artificial supplements that are needed to make it healthy.
Feeding two birds with one scone
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Feeding two birds with one scone
Which is bad news for the bird that is carnivorous.
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It is a triple whammy for the poor. They will not be able to afford the meat that gives them basic nutrients, won't understand the need to supplement a vegan diet to make it heal;thy and won't be able to afford the artificial supplements that are needed to make it healthy.

Who cares about the poor? Certainly not the regressive puritanical 'liberals'.
This could be said of the plastic bag tax as well.

It might do some of the less well off a favour to put meat out of their grasp if the tax was directly placed on the most egregiously unhealthy foodstuffs like McBurgers.

The most obvious place to start is with a beef tax, although of course this won't directly affect McDonalds much given all the soya they use.
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This is a pity, as the Green Party council in Brighton has one of the worst recycling records in the UK. Year after year it demonstrates that it hasn't got a grip on a basic local authority responsibility, and one that must surely be dear to its heart.
Which is down to the crap PFI deal with Veolia, signed in 2003.
https://www.mrw.co.uk/latest/brighto...028811.article

Which was put through by a Labour council under the general wash of PFI contracts then urged through by the Contractor's Friend, Mr G Brown. Nothing to do with the Greens.
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This could be said of the plastic bag tax as well.
Are you suffering from a misapprehension that the poor eat plastic bags? Or that plastic bags are a normal part of a healthy diet?
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Are you suffering from a misapprehension that the poor eat plastic bags? Or that plastic bags are a normal part of a healthy diet?
I am suffering from the correct apprehension that putting taxes on bad stuff causes less of the bad stuff to be consumed, to the general betterment.
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