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I'm not an anti vaxxer, though I'm sure there are a few on this site and I understand there are arguments for both sides. I recently got into a debate with an anti vaxxer and was bombarded with studies. Please could I have some help going through them all? This is what I've been sent, it's a bit overwhelming: (I hope all these links are allowed?)

There is no science that shows vaccines cause Autism, except in these published studies which show vaccines cause Autism...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25377033
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24995277
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21907498
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674242
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780490
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870260
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142947
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681

PLUS:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/...sm-Link#scribd

Vaccines caused autism here in this federal court case http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...LLER073008.pdf
And here page 2 http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...12.13.2012.pdf
And here -
https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bi...012vv0423-91-0

Here are 83 cases reviewed by lawyers http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/v...1&context=pelr

Oh look here's a dead kid compensated https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bi...10vv0103-145-0

If you ever need a lawyer http://www.mctlawyers.com/vaccine-injury/cases/

Here are 127 separate studies linking vaccines and autism. https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/22...ne-Autism-Link

Read this about Hannah Brusewitz case and how she was harmed by DTP
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/09-152

Supreme Court Unavoidably Unsafe
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

A dose-response relationship between organic mercury exposure from thimerosal-containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681

Relative trends in hospitalizations and mortality among infants by the number of vaccine doses and age, based on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1990-2010.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22531966

Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9345669

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

Infection, vaccines and other environmental triggers of autoimmunity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16126512

DTP with or after measles vaccination is associated with increased in-hospital mortality in Guinea-Bissau.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17092614#

Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535

Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170

Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

The plausibility of a role for mercury in the etiology of autism: a cellular perspective
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173748/

Dengvaxia tragedy phillipines
830,000 children vaccinated - 15,000+ hospitalised, 600+ dead, daily autopsies proving a link:
https://www.facebook.com/18300892206...1946161283404/
Vaccines haven’t saved us, modern plumbing - link -

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...yXXakvJs7k&s=1
For population control.
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Anyone who reads through that lot has to be a sandwich short of a picnic.
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Ponocky
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Anyone who reads through that lot has to be a sandwich short of a picnic.
I know! It's such an overwhelming amount but if I don't reply with counter evidence then she's won? I should probably just let it go
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I'm not an anti vaxxer, though I'm sure there are a few on this site and I understand there are arguments for both sides. I recently got into a debate with an anti vaxxer and was bombarded with studies. Please could I have some help going through them all? This is what I've been sent, it's a bit overwhelming: (I hope all these links are allowed?)

There is no science that shows vaccines cause Autism, except in these published studies which show vaccines cause Autism...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25377033
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24995277
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22099159
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17454560
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19106436
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3774468/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697751/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21299355
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21907498
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11339848
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17674242
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21993250
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15780490
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12933322
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870260
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19043938
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12142947
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24675092
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681

PLUS:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/220807175/...sm-Link#scribd

Vaccines caused autism here in this federal court case http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...LLER073008.pdf
And here page 2 http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/...12.13.2012.pdf
And here -
https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bi...012vv0423-91-0

Here are 83 cases reviewed by lawyers http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/v...1&context=pelr

Oh look here's a dead kid compensated https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bi...10vv0103-145-0

If you ever need a lawyer http://www.mctlawyers.com/vaccine-injury/cases/

Here are 127 separate studies linking vaccines and autism. https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/22...ne-Autism-Link

Read this about Hannah Brusewitz case and how she was harmed by DTP
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/09-152

Supreme Court Unavoidably Unsafe
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/10pdf/09-152.pdf

A dose-response relationship between organic mercury exposure from thimerosal-containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198681

Relative trends in hospitalizations and mortality among infants by the number of vaccine doses and age, based on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1990-2010.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22531966

Is infant immunization a risk factor for childhood asthma or allergy?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9345669

Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: Is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

Infection, vaccines and other environmental triggers of autoimmunity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16126512

DTP with or after measles vaccination is associated with increased in-hospital mortality in Guinea-Bissau.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17092614#

Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

A positive association found between autism prevalence and childhood vaccination uptake across the U.S. population.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21623535

Hepatitis B vaccination of male neonates and autism diagnosis, NHIS 1997-2002.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21058170

Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS autoimmunity in children with autism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12145534

The plausibility of a role for mercury in the etiology of autism: a cellular perspective
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173748/

Dengvaxia tragedy phillipines
830,000 children vaccinated - 15,000+ hospitalised, 600+ dead, daily autopsies proving a link:
https://www.facebook.com/18300892206...1946161283404/
Vaccines haven’t saved us, modern plumbing - link -

https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...yXXakvJs7k&s=1
For population control.
so no revision that's needing to be done?
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so no revision that's needing to be done?
I don't understand what you mean? I think I'll drop the argument with the anti vaxxer it's not going anywhere
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I don't understand what you mean? I think I'll drop the argument with the anti vaxxer it's not going anywhere
I used to take my grandson to a games group with others who were like me and home educating. As soon as I heard that the majority were anti-vaxers and weren’t having their children vaccinated, we were out of there. Bunch of nutters.
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Are any of those papers by Andrew Wakefield?
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Alternatively, you could compile literally a thousand papers that argue the opposite. This is just confirmation bias in action.
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Uh, the vast majority of these links are opinion pieces or qualitative reviews rather than empirical studies. Most of them aren’t actually directly discussing the relationship between vaccines and autism specifically, rather things that sound like they might be vaguely related. Finally some of the links don’t even have the abstract accessible.

Bombarding someone with endless hyperlinks to bamboozle them into submission isn’t particularly grounds for sensible debate as the amount of information contained within is too vast. It’s a weak debating strategy.
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I don't understand what you mean? I think I'll drop the argument with the anti vaxxer it's not going anywhere
Yes. You won't get anywhere, it's like arguing with a flat-earther.
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This technique is known as the Gish Gallop, where you present so many arguments in a short space of time that it's impossible to counter all of them.
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Just because there is a study on it doesn't mean it is a good study - you always have to be vigiliant
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Thank you for posting 'studies' that I have to pay in order to read them.

I really do appreciate it /s

Not to mention that most of them are reviews and not studies.
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It seems that you have provided a court rulling in the US, so I will post one here as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedill...Human_Services


Ooops, looks like the court sided with HHS because 'they had failed to demonstrate that thimerosal-containing vaccines in combination with the MMR vaccine could cause autism'.

Not to mention that the ruling that you have posted doesn't have anything to do with Autism.
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It seems that you have provided a court rulling in the US, so I will post one here as well

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedill...Human_Services


Ooops, looks like the court sided with HHS because 'they had failed to demonstrate that thimerosal-containing vaccines in combination with the MMR vaccine could cause autism'.

Not to mention that the ruling that you have posted doesn't have anything to do with Autism.
Thanks for your help, just to be clear these aren't my own views but links I have been given.
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Thanks for your help, just to be clear these aren't my own views but links I have been given.
Then please provide links that support the idea that Vaccines do not cause autism. Thanks.
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Then please provide links that support the idea that Vaccines do not cause autism. Thanks.
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Then please provide links that support the idea that Vaccines do not cause autism. Thanks.
He's in an internet argument with someone else and copy-pasted a response
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He's in an internet argument with someone else and copy-pasted a response
Obviously, thats why I wanted him to give me a couple of links that support the contrary statement, 'since he doesn't believe in the conspiracy argument'.

But since the links he posted were basically copied and pasted from somewhere, (and not those that he claimed to have gathered), he couldn't be bothered to actually gather and give us a list of evidence that quashes the conspiracy argument.
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Yes. You won't get anywhere, it's like arguing with a flat-earther.
Not much space on a flat earth I would think, hard to get anywhere.
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