Why do people hate centrists?

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Cause I’m not really sure.
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They're all over the place and don't have any consistant beliefs
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(Original post by Professional G)
Cause I’m not really sure.
Do they?

I find myself disagreeing with both the left and the right on a variety of issues (on social issues and immigration with the right, on economic issues with the left) so I get hate from both sides because of that.
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They're all over the place and don't have any consistant beliefs
At least it’s not biased to one side. They rather looks on all sides than just make a baseless decision. Centrists aren’t as biased and from my experience, they are easier to talk to for a lot of things
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Do they?

I find myself disagreeing with both the left and the right on a variety of issues (on social issues and immigration with the right, on economic issues with the left) so I get hate from both sides because of that.
I mean that’s an example of what I’m getting at.
They want you fully in their side or not at all.
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I mean that’s an example of what I’m getting at.
They want you fully in their side or not at all.
I should say that there's no necessary internal consistency in, for example, conservative politics. I think the stance of most right-wingers on immigration conflicts with their self-proclaimed stance on economics (namely, free markets). I regard being in favour of immigration as a more consistent application of being an economic liberal (than is being a skeptic of immigration). So the idea that centrists can not be consistent or w/e is ********. Established ideologies can have glaring contradictions and often do.
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I'm not sure why anyone wastes their time or emotions on hate.

Differences of opinion, alternative priorities and a range of interpretations = dialogue.
All these things are crucial to a balanced in-depth discussion, accurate analysis and constructive criticism.
Aggression, hostility and anything of a criminal/slanderous nature only serve to divert from the core purpose- poisoning discussions and creating a toxic social climate for everyone.
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I should say that there's no necessary internal consistency in, for example, conservative politics. I think the stance of most right-wingers on immigration conflicts with their self-proclaimed stance on economics (namely, free markets). I regard being in favour of immigration as a more consistent application of being an economic liberal (than is being a skeptic of immigration). So the idea that centrists can not be consistent or w/e is ********. Established ideologies can have glaring contradictions and often do.
The traditionalist right - those who have a problem with immigration - were never much for free markets either. The Conservatives virtually tore themselves apart over the Corn Laws, the early 20th century saw active campaigning against free trade and disputes over tariff reform. Some of these were the old High Tories who - in many cases - were effectively feudalists.

There remains a significant appetite for those sorts of politics on the right - and indeed the Patrician Toryism that preceded Margaret Thatcher contained many of these elements. It's only relatively recently that the Conservatives have come to be a party of free markets, and even then it's usually in a limited way.

People who self-identify as small-c conservatives (the Conservative Party itself is a mish-mash) aren't typically much for liberal capitalism.
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cause everyone wants to be edgy af lol
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They're all over the place and don't have any consistant beliefs
is that a bad thing? Pragmatists who prefer to find the middle-ground between opposing ideals and willing to accept compromise are the main reason we have peace and stability.
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The traditionalist right - those who have a problem with immigration - were never much for free markets either. The Conservatives virtually tore themselves apart over the Corn Laws, the early 20th century saw active campaigning against free trade and disputes over tariff reform. Some of these were the old High Tories who - in many cases - were effectively feudalists.

There remains a significant appetite for those sorts of politics on the right - and indeed the Patrician Toryism that preceded Margaret Thatcher contained many of these elements. It's only relatively recently that the Conservatives have come to be a party of free markets, and even then it's usually in a limited way.

People who self-identify as small-c conservatives (the Conservative Party itself is a mish-mash) aren't typically much for liberal capitalism.
Virtually all of the well-known conservative economists internationally identify as pro-free-market. The movement for free-markets on the right has definitely dominated right-wing conservative circles since the 80s and overshadowed traditionalist Toryist communitarianism.

Maybe the dominant strand of conservatism in the UK used to be traditional Toryism but it's not anymore and if you look at it from a global perspective, it never was.

We've seen some populist right-wing surge now with Orban in Hungary and Trump in the US and so forth but those aren't really traditionalists and they mainly represent a backlash against immigration, not really a coherent ideological movement.
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cause everyone wants to be edgy af lol
Definitely. Apparently Politics is only black and white. You’re either one side or the other.
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People don't hate the centrists. A lack of mainstream centrist politicians is why the country is rather divided at the moment. Elections are won in the centre ground but with Corbyn heading left and the Tories in-fighting, there is nothing in the gap. The next election will be very interesting, especially as it will feature the fall out from Brexit.
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I believe the issue is more that Centrists get lumped in the Pragmatists by those on the hard right and hard left. Of course, some Pragmatists are Centrists but not all.

The Centre can also shift either left or right depending on the political climate, leaving the (former) Centrists isolated in a different camp.
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Its like the water of political beliefs, just.... tasteless and dull
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i don't think they do, not in real life. maybe on TSR.

most people hover around centre because we all benefit from some 'left wing' policy and some 'right wing' policy; we can't help it, we're born into it. we just call ourselves 'left' and 'right' so we can have a distinct political identity and divide ourselves into teams.

most people and politicians hover around centre because that's where we compromise and balance competing interests. the extremities are scary to us because it's all about control.
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