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    God no, I think they need counselling not encouraging
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    I "explicitly" stated that you're implying that I misunderstood what you wrote, and in your first paragraph, you disagree with me, then you say that's exactly what you are doing...read it bruh. This is why I said you need to calm down and how dare you imply that I dont "understand" you? Who are you??? And you dont have to reiterate what you said.Twice I said I dont agree with what you said. There's agreeing and disagreeing, then there's understanding and misunderstanding. I dont agree doesn't mean I don't understand. You always "pull out of your hat" this intellectual arrogance when I disagree with you. So again I ask, did you read what I wrote?? Because I said my issue is the dogmatism behind activists including but not exclusive to trans. You nor anyone can deny that the media and social media hammers trans down peoples throats and bullies them away from speaking against it. Even you and I who rarely argue, are arguing. This isn't about trans people living their lives, this was about you being cavalier and now suddenly you are in fact being aggressive. Aggressive doesn't mean hostile. Aggressive means not considering the other person. Oh and: Idealistic..dribble. Google the words then put them together. You know what I mean so dont mock me.
    Not being aggressive whatsoever, it seems increasingly likely that you just cant take robust disagreement.

    Let me put it in even simpler terms: I have just said - twice - that the TRA movement has got things wrong and has problems. You have saids that the TRA movement and its dogma are your issue. I have nowhere denied the social media pile ons, and in another post I specifically reference it. I even said I have seen these campaigns against people I know and work with (and like, actually). Hence me asking why you cannot understand what I said when I explicitly said these things.

    So here we go - I agree with you, broadly at least, that the TRA movement has some things wrong and does some things wrong. I expect we'd disagree slightly on the specifics, but that's not important. Where I disagree with you is that my saying it doesn't affect me how someone chooses to live or identify (in this context) is harmful, damaging to society, 'cavalier' etc. It's not. Whether the TRA thing is damaging, well, in some ways it is, yes, as I have already said.

    So you either misunderstood what I said or you willfully misrepresented it - which is it?
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    what you mean? the beauty of women isnt in videos? like porn? stop watching porn bruh. the sight of a naked women spread eagle in front of you is the loveliest beast you'll ever have to tackle. man up!
    The "light" you referred to. It must be like a ghost - or was it a vampire? Or in any case, the Chinese man who doesn't show up in photos.
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    (Original post by nintysixthousand)
    theres a difference between gender and sex. Sex is your chromosomes and genitalia. Gender is what people identify as, and the norms society inflicts on a gender eg girls have longer hair and boys should like football and should be aggressive
    if someone is female, thats their gender, and it has nothing to do with their genitalia.
    Your identity is how you are identified. You have no need for an internal identity, because you don't have to identify yourself to yourself. Thus, your identity is how others perceive you. Thus "gender" is moot.
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    No.
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    (Original post by VMD100)
    God no, I think they need counselling not encouraging
    :tea:lol
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    (Original post by awkwardshortguy)
    The "light" you referred to. It must be like a ghost - or was it a vampire? Or in any case, the Chinese man who doesn't show up in photos.
    how did we go from women's personal area, to chinese men? :lolwut:
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    I wouldn't, no.
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    Misrepresent it? What? Because I'm not quoting you out of text, I even put in bold what the hell you said.

    You dont have to put **** in simple terms, nothing about it was complex or complicated. Again, I understood you, I simply disagree. Yes it is possible to disagree with you. You have a philosophy degree, not a psychology degree or a scientific one, so there's no genius here. And "misunderstid". Haha, you made a typo.

    Yes. Here we go indeed! You AGAIN repeated "it doesn't affect ME." So again I ask! Did you read what I said????? It's not..about.. you. It's a social issue, so it's about..how it affects...society. And you keep saying, it doesnt matter. How can it not matter? That is a terrible attitude.
    You repeatedly say it's not about me whilst maintaining that you care more about dogmatic activists than trans people themselves. I say that I don't care how people live their lives in this context because it doesn't affect me. So trans people living as trans doesn't affect me, whereas the TRA movement such as it is does affect me, as it affects the rest of society given their policing of language and so on. You keep telling me that I have a bad attitude in virtue of this, despite you yourself already saying that you care more about the activists and their behaviour than you do about trans people themselves. Me: trans people, not bothered; trans activism, problematic in some ways. You: trans people, not bothered; trans activism, problematic in some ways. What's the difference?

    What I said is apparently so complicated that you can't make top nor tail of it. If that isn't the case, you are just accusing me of holding positions that I don't actually hold.

    As an aside if you're gonna mock my education, at least be accurate: I have two degrees with a terminal degree on the way at the end of the month.
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    how did we go from women's personal area, to chinese men? :lolwut:
    Light emanates from a Chinese man (Buddha), and pussies never show up on film (they are always obfuscated by a black bar, or pixelation).
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    (Original post by awkwardshortguy)
    Light emanates from a Chinese man (Buddha), and pussies never show up on film (they are always obfuscated by a black bar, or pixelation).
    ..stop watching *Japanese porn!!? :rofl2: honestly.. japanese porn isnt for the faint of heart. it's not pleasurable. the men are weak and the women sound terrible. I can see why you're not that straight, as many japanese men are losing interest in their own women.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    Your identity is how you are identified. You have no need for an internal identity, because you don't have to identify yourself to yourself. Thus, your identity is how others perceive you. Thus "gender" is moot.
    it's actually true you know. don't worry, most of humanity agrees with you. Truly, as we in society are only subjected to those who agree with alternative living doesn't mean no one disagrees, and the ones who argue it hardest know it deep down too that you're right.
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    Yeah I probably would. If I’m attracted to someone then I’m attracted to them regardless of gender. gender isn’t really the most important factor for me anyway considering I’m bi. If I really liked someone, I wouldn’t be put off by the fact that they’re not cisgender.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    Your identity is how you are identified. You have no need for an internal identity, because you don't have to identify yourself to yourself. Thus, your identity is how others perceive you. Thus "gender" is moot.
    This is a variation of what people like Kathleen Stock, Jane Clare Jones, Mary Leng, Louise Moody etc say. It is incredible how much flak they get for it.
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    it's actually true you know. don't worry, most of humanity agrees with you. Truly, as we in society are only subjected to those who agree with alternative living doesn't mean no one disagrees, and the ones who argue it hardest know it deep down too that you're right.
    My own feelings on transgender make me seem like a hypocrite - as a bisexual man who prefers women, a slightly masculine woman who lives as a man would, in many ways, be the best of both worlds for me. If that makes any sense at all.
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    (Original post by gjd800)
    You repeatedly say it's not about me whilst maintaining that you care more about dogmatic activists than trans people themselves. I say that I don't care how people live their lives in this context because it doesn't affect me. So trans people living as trans doesn't affect me, whereas the TRA movement such as it is does affect me, as it affects the rest of society given their policing of language and so on. You keep telling me that I have a bad attitude in virtue of this, despite you yourself already saying that you care more about the activists and their behaviour than you do about trans people themselves. Me: trans people, not bothered; trans activism, problematic in some ways. You: trans people, not bothered; trans activism, problematic in some ways. What's the difference?

    What I said is apparently so complicated that you can't make top nor tail of it. If that isn't the case, you are just accusing me of holding positions that I don't actually hold.

    As an aside if you're gonna mock my education, at least be accurate: I have two degrees with a terminal degree on the way at the end of the month.
    We're discussing trans people, not the tra movement that you're irrelevantly bringing up. This thread itself is about, simply, trans people, and you said it doesn't affect you what trans people do and blah blah, and yes I dared to say, that's selfish thinking because it's about society, which you clearly never have a thought about as you always say everywhere, "it doesn't matter to me, I don't give two ****," and all. Thats what you always say. And I've finally decided to tell you, it's a poor attitude. And you've immediately revealed how little you think of me and expect me to be calm.
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    (Original post by Tootles)
    My own feelings on transgender make me seem like a hypocrite - as a bisexual man who prefers women, a slightly masculine woman who lives as a man would, in many ways, be the best of both worlds for me. If that makes any sense at all.
    it does, I know what you mean! i kinda like that too! wait, masculine in attitude, or appearance? I like a tough as nails woman who looks like a woman but is kinda rough if you get me. fighter type. gina carano. chav mum lol. :toofunny:
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    We're discussing trans people, not the tra movement that you're irrelevantly bringing up. This thread itself is about, simply, trans people, and you said it doesn't affect you what trans people do and blah blah, and yes I dared to say, that's selfish thinking because it's about society, which you clearly never have a thought about as you always say everywhere, "it doesn't matter to me, I don't give two shits," and all. Thats what you always say. And I've finally decided to tell you, it's a poor attitude. And you've immediately revealed how little you think of me and expect me to be calm.
    It's not irrelevant, man. That's where I see the problem as lying. You said previously that you are more bothered about the activists, well, the TRA are the activists! It is possible to detach trans people broadly thought of and the TRA movement. I know trans people that dislike the TRA thing, and they have a pretty sizeable presence on Twitter. Not all trans people are behind/supportive of this shite you see on the telly or on the news websites. They just want to be left to live their lives, and that is why I say I don't care.
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    No. No matter how many surgeries or hormones you artificially inject into yourself, your XX or XY chromosomes will not change. I do not want to date a trans person because it is a medical condition called gender dysphoria, which I think they should get some proper help with (and this does not mean going along with their illusion, but outlining the hard reality that gender is not malleable like a metal). A man thinking he is a woman is still a man. I do not want to date men.
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    (Original post by Bang Outta Order)
    Well they cant be left to live their lives because despite the dogmatism of activists (there, I included the precious TRA), they are arguably regressive for society, steps back in civilisation. And the issue here is the literal trouble you will get into if you dare even say that trans people are not good for society and that is what disgusts me and if you supposedly agree with me that activists through the media deflect their wrongs onto society to guilt trip us, then why are we arguing and you calling me stupid saying I don't understand you and bragging about your degrees? Then no wonder we're having a circular argument, because you're needlessly arguing with me.
    You brought up my education, la, not me. Similarly, you were the one saying my position was indefensible or whatever. Consider prior posts a defence.

    I don't agree with you that trans people are on the whole damaging to society. With that said, I don't like large parts of the current thrust of trans activism, some of which I see as actively damaging to women (thats before we get onto the shite that means you can't even talk about this stuff without being run out of your job). It is that simple for me.
 
 
 
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