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If Theresa May resigns (which she probably has no other choice after MPs voted against s her deal) who would you think would take her place? Hopefully not another liberal-conservative like George Osborne, Sajid Javid, Phillip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt, Anna Soubry.

I’m thinking of real a Conservative who’s give us No Deal Brexit like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, David Davis, Dominic Raab?
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(Original post by AnxiousAtypical)
If Theresa May resigns (which she probably has no other choice after MPs voted against s her deal) who would you think would take her place? Hopefully not another liberal-conservative like George Osborne, Sajid Javid, Phillip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt, Anna Soubry.

I’m thinking of real a Conservative who’s give us No Deal Brexit like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, David Davis, Dominic Raab?
She doesn’t need to resign at all. She lost a vote on a deal, so what. In the last election the SNP lost numerous seats but Nicola Sturgeon still leads the SNP. Today Jeremy Corbyn lost his vote of no confidence, he still leads the Labour party.
Just because you don’t win a vote doesn’t mean you resign.

Also, as many people keep saying, this shouldn’t be focused as a ‘May’ deal. This is what the EU said was their best offering. Yesterday was a vote on whether parliament would accept the EU’s proposition.
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One of the main reasons she's still in her job is there is no one any good to take over. Only Tory with a bit about them is Ruth Davidson and she's too busy giving birth and ruled herself out for mental health reasons anyway.
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Likely a hard Brexit member or subscriber of the ERG.
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One of the main reasons she's still in her job is there is no one any good to take over. Only Tory with a bit about them is Ruth Davidson and she's too busy giving birth and ruled herself out for mental health reasons anyway.
"one of the main reasons she's still in her job is there is no one any good to take over"

- not true, and an awful statement that's thrown about by people who don't follow conservative politics.

Its wrong for two reasons:

1, there are plenty of prominent Tory MPs who would not look out of place as a party leader, compared to party leaders of the past 50 years

2, you don't need household recognition or a great CV external to the conservative party to become the leader.. May was not famous, nor widely loved or liked outside of her party before she became the leader. Cameron was the underdog who was very un-thought of before he beat a lot of the more senior competition to become leader etc. etc.

The prime candidate within the party is clearly Gove. Yes he is hated outside of the party - but within conservative political circles he is very popular and well-liked. JRM has stolen the populous backing that boris used to get, so on a trump-style scenario, he prove to be a good leader. As you pointed out, ruth davidson post-baby would be hugely electorally viable (even if a bit to liberal for some conservatives). David davis may fancy another go at leadership, and has plenty of experience behind him.

Or.. if they wanted to be really ruthless Javid or Cleverly would give them the first non-white mainstream political leader. Both of which are comfortable on the media and would steal swaths of the middleclass who see it as progressive to have a non-white leader.

There are even more options then that.. the point is, you don't need to be a household name with years of experiance to end up being a succesful party leader.

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the reason that May is still the leader has nothing to do with a lack of replacements.. and all to do with a sizable number of tory rebels who don't believe they could win an election due to how brexit has been handled.. and would rather have a handcuffed may in power than corbyn.
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"one of the main reasons she's still in her job is there is no one any good to take over"

- not true, and an awful statement that's thrown about by people who don't follow conservative politics.

Its wrong for two reasons:

1, there are plenty of prominent Tory MPs who would not look out of place as a party leader, compared to party leaders of the past 50 years

2, you don't need household recognition or a great CV external to the conservative party to become the leader.. May was not famous, nor widely loved or liked outside of her party before she became the leader. Cameron was the underdog who was very un-thought of before he beat a lot of the more senior competition to become leader etc. etc.

The prime candidate within the party is clearly Gove. Yes he is hated outside of the party - but within conservative political circles he is very popular and well-liked. JRM has stolen the populous backing that boris used to get, so on a trump-style scenario, he prove to be a good leader. As you pointed out, ruth davidson post-baby would be hugely electorally viable (even if a bit to liberal for some conservatives). David davis may fancy another go at leadership, and has plenty of experience behind him.

Or.. if they wanted to be really ruthless Javid or Cleverly would give them the first non-white mainstream political leader. Both of which are comfortable on the media and would steal swaths of the middleclass who see it as progressive to have a non-white leader.

There are even more options then that.. the point is, you don't need to be a household name with years of experiance to end up being a succesful party leader.
No, but I think you need quite a bit of talent and a touch of carisma would certainly help too. No stars nor vote winners in the list you cite I afraid to say.
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No, but I think you need quite a bit of talent and a touch of carisma would certainly help too. No stars nor vote winners in the list you cite I afraid to say.
talent and charisma?

recent leaders lacking in both:

May, Howard, Major

3 of the last 6 were lacking in those departments, and Ian ducan smith and William hague were not exactly above the names that I mentioned.

Cleverly and Davidson come across very well on TV and are very electable to a progressive audiance (Davidson is a very progressive tory, and a woman, Cleverly would be the first black priminister, and has a history in PR/Marketing).

Also JRM has built a huge corbyn-like cult following online.. his charisma may not be conventional, but he is building up a huge number of fans, and speaks very well and clearly. I'd back him in a public debate over most of his potential labour opposition.
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talent and charisma?

recent leaders lacking in both:

May, Howard, Major

3 of the last 6 were lacking in those departments, and Ian ducan smith and William hague were not exactly above the names that I mentioned.

Cleverly and Davidson come across very well on TV and are very electable to a progressive audiance (Davidson is a very progressive tory, and a woman, Cleverly would be the first black priminister, and has a history in PR/Marketing).

Also JRM has built a huge corbyn-like cult following online.. his charisma may not be conventional, but he is building up a huge number of fans, and speaks very well and clearly. I'd back him in a public debate over most of his potential labour opposition.
Yes, the 3 you mention at the top have all been dismal failures. I gave you Ruth Davidson, but she's not up for it. As to JRM, yes he might have a niche cult following but even in the current crazy world I don't think the public would wear his crazy Dickensian, homophobic, brand of conservatism.
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Yes, the 3 you mention at the top have all been dismal failures. I gave you Ruth Davidson, but she's not up for it. As to JRM, yes he might have a niche cult following but even in the current crazy world I don't think the public would wear his crazy Dickensian, homophobic, brand of conservatism.
they all became leader though - which was my point. The reason there is not a leadership challenge is not because of a lack of a talent - all of the 3 listed were viewed as 'talented' by their party, and clearly by themselves. That they became dismal failures is only relevant if you believe that the current tory party is 100% in tune with the type of leader that would win it the next election, which has historically never been the case for either party.

For JRM - sure in a normal political enviroment he is unelectable as a leader.. but in the land of trump, corbyn and bernie sanders - all of whom were conventionally considered just as undetectable as JRM before they rose to prominence, and all started with a cult following just like his... anything is possible.

In fact the comparnsion between him and corbyn is very apt.
- back bencher who is stubornly ideological to the point of missing career progression to keep with what he believes
- views that the mainstream british public don't aprove of, but a small following love
- cult-like following prior to becoming leader
etc.

I could easily see JRM getting a momentum like body behind him, but mirrored on the right.
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they all became leader though - which was my point. The reason there is not a leadership challenge is not because of a lack of a talent - all of the 3 listed were viewed as 'talented' by their party, and clearly by themselves. That they became dismal failures is only relevant if you believe that the current tory party is 100% in tune with the type of leader that would win it the next election, which has historically never been the case for either party.

For JRM - sure in a normal political enviroment he is unelectable as a leader.. but in the land of trump, corbyn and bernie sanders - all of whom were conventionally considered just as undetectable as JRM before they rose to prominence, and all started with a cult following just like his... anything is possible.

In fact the comparnsion between him and corbyn is very apt.
- back bencher who is stubornly ideological to the point of missing career progression to keep with what he believes
- views that the mainstream british public don't aprove of, but a small following love
- cult-like following prior to becoming leader
etc.

I could easily see JRM getting a momentum like body behind him, but mirrored on the right.
Don't doubt they may elect another dismal leader, I'm just saying the is no real urgency to do so since there is noone who would make an immediate difference. Your Corbyn JRM anaolgy if surprising compelling but I do think Corbyn's views are more mainstream than you make out.
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Usually agree to some degree with your takes but I think your view on the Conservative party is far too optimistic. They are in a hopeless position, the only way they can get out of it is if
May secures a no deal brexit, and this turns out to be a success both of which are highly unlikely.

The most likely scenario is that some compromise is made with labour and the liberal conservatives find some way to shaft the brexiteers and coronate one if their own after May (Davidson is their star candidate and I think the only liberal Tory that would beat Corbyn)

The truth is the liberal Toryism of Davidson AND the Thatcherism of Mogg are as outdated as Corbyns Bennism.
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After seeing Michael Goves speech, I’d be interested to see what move she’ll be making in the coming months. I have a str9ng suspicion that speech wasn’t necessarily to support May, but to support himself
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The truth is the liberal Toryism of Davidson AND the Thatcherism of Mogg are as outdated as Corbyns Bennism.
Yet here we are.
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How do you please a majority if everyone has been bunched into 3 (roughly equal?) groups? Even if May could do whatever she liked, she's going to disappoint more than half the people. And she actually can't do whatever she likes, because the EU are negotiating their side as well, and from recent comments they intend to offer a rubbish deal that will result in Remain.

Theresa May hasn't put us in a good position at all, this whole thing is a mess. But very little of that is her fault, and I don't see how anyone could have done much better with regards to a deal. Obviously Remain and Hard Brexit are easy options, but would not be representative of the public vote.
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If Theresa May resigns (which she probably has no other choice after MPs voted against s her deal) who would you think would take her place? Hopefully not another liberal-conservative like George Osborne, Sajid Javid, Phillip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt, Anna Soubry.

I’m thinking of real a Conservative who’s give us No Deal Brexit like Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, David Davis, Dominic Raab?
No one wants to take her place until this is done other than the people who tried the oust her a month or so back.

They tried and failed and she won’t resign
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Yet here we are.
Your point being?

Things can change

Although a hard barrier to surpass we’ve seen that FPTP can be overcome (snp) and that coalitions are possible (lib dem)
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After his speech the odds on Gove came crashing down, he wants to be leader at some point I think.
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There's no point in discussing names rather than ideas about the correct course of action.

I have no confidence that any of the possible candidates have a plan.
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Your point being?

Things can change
These so called dinosaur idealogies are calling the shots.
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These so called dinosaur idealogies are calling the shots.
They’re not really, they’re just the permitted pawns of the ruling ideology- who know that both are ineffective and allow their agenda to continue:

-hyper liberalism
-mass migration
-censorship
-opposition to whites people collectivisation
-globalisation
- endless foreign wars

it doesn’t really matter if you’re a Marxist or from the Chicago school, if you are against any of the above that is where the ideological divide is.

That’s why you get socialists like Ocasio Cortez leaving warm tributes to dead NeoCon John McCain or Rees Mogg talking about how evil Enoch Powell is -they are signals to the system that they are not threats.
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