(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Oh so it's fine to belittle anyone who disagrees with you.
Could I just put forward somthing to you, these large businesses leaders, the ones with huge off shore tax avoiding bank accounts. You know the ones that close factories down in the UK to build in Poland for cheaper running costs while keeping the price of their products the same while selling them to the neighbourhoods they have destroyed. Those guys whom push branding onto us and close local small businesses down whom actually spend money locally simulating the economy. Do you not think it is possible they just might have some biast and a little political motivation behind their claims?
Or am I just stupid ignorant fool to think this? I mean it's not like these people gift millions to politicians to push their agendas on to us. I don't know whom or what I was thinking to question the far superior intelligent of a few young people on a forum, they obviously know far more about life previous to the EEC than the people whom actually lived in those times.
Silly me eh..
Do you realise that the country in the EU which has the biggest problem with tax avoidance is the UK, which refuses to crack down on its own tax havens such as the Cayman Islands and Bermuda? The EU made it abundantly clear that it wanted the UK to take more action against those places following the release of the Panama Papers, and the UK Govt has done absolutely nothing to fix the problem. But, as with many things, the EU has absolutely no control over the UK's tax affairs and has been powerless to force the UK to deal with the tax havens, or even the companies avoiding tax.
It's interesting that you mention Poland; when the UK received an enormous influx of Polish workers due to the lack of jobs in Poland. By the way, business leaders who are looking to manufacture cheap goods have been offshoring to countries like China and India for decades -- not something that involves the EU in any way whatsoever. Also, both China and India are countries which we keep hearing the UK wants a free trade deal with, so you can expect much more of that kind of thing in the future. And besides, manufacturing is increasingly automated -- if the jobs hadn't moved to China, then they'd have been taken by computers instead.
I wonder whether you could share the information backing up your claims about businessmen gifting millions to politicians? The EU itself does not receive any political donations because it is wholly funded by its member states. As for political donations in the UK to individual politicians and parties, there are extremely strict rules about transparency, so such large political contributions will be a matter of public record.
By the way, the UK had previously been known internationally as the "sick man of europe" due to decades of economic difficulty that it had endured after the war, and before it joined the EEC. The moniker was eventually dropped some time after the UK joined the EEC. The UK went on to become one of the most successful economies in the world during the 80s, 90s and 2000s, and was even the fastest growing EU economy after the dust finally settled from the 2008 financial crash, all the way up to 2016 in fact. All of this happened during its membership of the EU.
Finally, with the 'sick man' moniker aside, the UK is no longer in the 1970s, so whatever 'experience' those people had 40+ years ago is completely irrelevant. Whatever strange fantasies some people may have about "good old days", the year is now 2019 and Globalisation means that all of the major economies in the world are heavily inter-connected - The UK's economy in 2019 is heavily dependent upon international business for investment to sustain jobs and generate economic growth - the various political slogans which attempt to elude to some mythical idea of the UK somehow being able to cope on its own are a delusion with no basis in fact nor reality -- afterall, it has been 2 and a half years, and not a single person in the world has yet conjured up any kind of actionable or realistic plan explaining how things are actually going to work with the UK being on its own - so yet another example of people who are clueless about economics and globalisation believing that they know better than those who have the experience and expertise in these areas.
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