(Original post by Davij038)
I’m ambivalent about women voting. They’re ultimately too conformist as a whole. Maybe if they’re married and have children. Don’t see why they shouldn’t be allowed to drive.
The people who don’t want to have children and get married are a tiny minority. Why should we sacrifice the majority’s happiness for a tiny minority? (And yes it is a zero sum game see below)
1: There is always going to be some sort of social pressure for something. Right now there is social pressure on people having less children because of the environment (lol) , so that women can focus on their careers or the other financial pressures that it brings.
2: marital abuse did certainly happen but abuse against women will ALWAYS happen. A husband has many reasons to take care care if his wife. An employer, colleague or random tinder date can exploit her at whim and has a lot less to lose.
3: I’m afraid the choices that individuals make do have an impact because we live in a society. And this will have wider implications.
You know how free market idiot say to people ‘oh you want nationalised rail/ healthcare etc why don’t you make your own rail company/ nhs and do it the way you want. Then people can choose’ for themselves what they want’ that is basically what you are arguing
Sometimes it takes a society to make something works
As to your other points
1: I’m not letting men off the hook. That’s why I called them man children. They also are equally responsible for the sexual revolution and its consequences as they wanted lots of loose women to ha e sex with without thinking that someday these were going to be their wives and daughters.
2: of course men with marvel tattoos and video game addictions are getting married - there’s seldom any choice. But it’s not healthy or and fulfilling for them to be preoccupied with children’s entertainment. In any case they are not reaching their potential. Your liberal view points are immoral and vacuous and boil down to not caring about anyone. I want my neighbours and colleagues to get up off their arse and go to the gym or learn something fulfilling. And society should pressure them too.
3: if women hadn’t entered the work force you would have been paid a family wage. But those nice capitalists who care so much about equality let women into the work force and, naturally lowered wages as a result. (This is also why capitalists are so pro lgbt - they typically wont have children to look after or need things like maternity leave)
Women are members of the same democracy that we're members of. Decisions made by our representatives will affect all people including women. Therefore it is right, if you believe in the principles of representative democracy, to allow women to vote. Of course we restrict this to only allow voting once someone reaches a certain age, but this affects both sexes equally.
When you say, "Why should we sacrifice the majority’s happiness for a tiny minority?" what do you mean? I've never said that women shouldn't be able to get married, nor that women shouldn't be allowed to take on a more traditional family/marriage model. What I support is giving people the choice to decide what kind of family they want to have (or not have) and the eroding of barriers/cultural expectations which say that you must do X, Y and Z or risk societal repercussions.
Martial abuse doesn't have to happen if: A) Divorce is a viable option for the person being abused, B) There is no stigma surrounding divorce for the people involved, C) You aren't going to be forced (either legally or culturally) to marry people who are abusive. You're right in that abuse against women (or men) will happen regardless; but trapping people into a family (or worse, arranging one) that is abusive with absolutely no way out is awful. I'd rather them divorce and leave their family than to disallow/shun divorce because of this preconceived idea that divorce is always wrong when it clearly isn't.
When you say "I’m afraid the choices that individuals make do have an impact because we live in a society." what exactly are you referring to?
Who are you to say "it's not healthy or and fulfilling for them to be preoccupied with children’s entertainment"? You sound like a bitter old man! People can do what they want with their life (within reason) and if they decide they wish to spend it playing video games (which, by the way, is a very social activity now) then so be it. It's far healthier for them to spend it doing things they enjoy, such as playing video games, then them be forced into activities which they don't care for and don't like because someone else
has thinks 'real men' should be doing X, Y and Z instead.
Plus it's a bit rich of you to call other people "man children" when you spend a lot
of time on this forum complaining about 'the liberals', women, gay people, etc. If I were to look at your life with the same eyes that you look at the lives of people who play video games and/or enjoy Marvel, I'd say you're a bit of a man child yourself really. I'd tell you to go outside, get your head out of your bumb, stop being so tight about everything and live a little. Of course, I wouldn't say those things because I'm not prejudiced enough to make wild and sweeping statements about people based on very specific things.