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Quady
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
That's their job, we cannot have referendums on everything and anything. They seem to solve nothing, in my opinion they can fuel divisions and do the opposite of what they are meant to do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pol...-eu-leave/amp/
So your preference would've been for a vote by MPs in 2016 rather than the public?
How'd you think that'd have gone?
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It's incredible, some people seem to be under the impression that there aren't any aeroplanes, cars, beaches or supermarkets outside the EU.
There are. Just no countries operating on WTO alone.

As a leave voter (in both referendums) I agree in the longer term it'd be good to be independent. That doesn't mean I don't recognise the transition will expensive, difficult and cause a drop in average living standards in the short/medium term.
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So your preference would've been for a vote by MPs in 2016 rather than the public?
How'd you think that'd have gone?
In answer to you're question we would of remained because that is what benifits the elite and political establishment the most. However that's not what I said or meant. Let's be clear in 2016 I voted leave, in 2015 I voted Labour for a modern socialist Labour government whom was not offering a referendum or playing political games. If I was in the majority I'd of won and the country would now be much more stable and be doing much better. However I accept I wasn't, therefore I accept I lost but that in my opinion would of been the best thing for the country.

My choice I could play God I would enforce a modern socialist government politically independent from the EU. High taxation, nationalised industries and should any trade deals be signed to purchase OUR goods they benifit us equally as much as the other party.
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ah some quality shitposting
i disagree with x opinion
a classic
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ah some quality shitposting
i disagree with x opinion
a classic
Brilliant care to explain further? Even join the debate
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regardless of your initial views on staying or leaving
the end result we are getting simply satisfies nobody
similarly, the way people enforce division by blaming
folks who voted differently to them also satisfies nobody.
I actually photographed at a pro-EU rally not so long ago the main promoters just whined for half an hour and its only when they eventually shut up that people joined the protest.
all the whining achieved was jeers from brexit supporters who were likely sick of getting called stupid for the 7th time in 20 minutes.
resorting to namecalling and blame doesn't change anything or even leave people feeling better
it does however cause a thread to blow up as opinionated folks bicker back and forth unhelpfully which I reckon is what you really wanted.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Anyone who goes on holiday to Euorope benefits

by some super basic health care that is so poor everyone buys travel insurance anyway and not having a passport stamped, Europe benifits far more because they are gaining the money into their encomy!
We are free to travel around Europe without excessive checks or passport control. Ever travelled to the US recently? You have to fill in a waver ahead of your travel, sign away your life and then queue for 2 hours to get through customs when you arrive. And that is before you pick up your baggage. It is looking like British travellers will have to pay €7 for a visa in the future and we will be required to go down the non-EU isle which always takes longer.
(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Anyone who buys food from the supermarket benefits,

you're talking like all our food is in Europe, I don't think Banana trees grow in Europe!
We import 30% of our food from the EU compared to 20% outside Europe. That is a lot. You remove 30% of the food from your cupboards and fridge and see what difference it makes.
(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Anyone who values family life benefits
Anyone who values privacy benefits
Anyone who uses the internet benefits
Anyone who uses the NHS benefits
Anyone who is delayed on a flight into or out of Europe benefits
Anyone who flys on an Airbus benefits


How? Bloody hell family life, are you for real?
Under the EU Human Rights act you have a right to a family life. That means that the UK government can not impose laws that prevent you from doing that. A small thing I am sure, but many countries do not have this right. The UK has certainly never put forward any form of progressive human rights legislation although I will conceed that one of the few things the Tories have done whilst in power was provide for civil ceremonies and gay marraige. Never-the-less, the EU was about 15 years ahead of this.

The GDPR is probably one of the most progressive privacy laws in the world. In the US, senators recently blocked a bill that would have made it illegal for broadband suppliers to monitor your internet activity and then sell that data to third parties without your knowledge. They felt that the commercial benefits to private companies was more important than the citizen's right to own their own data. No in Europe thank goodness.
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Anyone who drives a car manufactured in the UK benefits

All the people who lost their job in the UK car manufacturing trade benifited from this.....
Who are "all those people"? The automative industy has seen significant growth in the UK of late. Since 2009 it has tripled in size in terms of its economic output.

It currently employs around 186,000 people directly and probably double that through suppliers and associated businesses. That is a lot. And we risk most of it if we can't keep the just-in-time supply chains going tarrif free.

(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Anyone who visits their local beach benefits
You do realise that we pay more into Europe than we get back don't you?
How so? Are you a member of a club? You know, like a gym or a sports or the social club? You pays your money and what you get back is use of the facilities, access to new friends, business partners, influencers, people in power. Yes, we pay money to the EU and have seen the benefits of a booming economy since the early 80s. Paying into the EU is not about seeing that money come straight back. It is about being part of something much bigger. Sure, you can play golf down your local park by yourself, but paying into a club gives a vastly enhanced experience at a significantly cheaper price than you could achieve by creating your own private golf course.

I will conceed that people voted to leave. But I believe they voted based on ignorance and emotion. The leave campagne was based on a myth of taking back control not on the fact that we would be losing membership to an way of doing things that touches in a positive way just about every aspect of everyone's life. That was never on the table but that is the reality. You can not cut off your face and expect to look handsome afterwards yet that is what we are calling for.
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