People are not well-informed. Combo of poor education and not being interested in history. Realistically, when do we ever think about the Holocaust -- in a history class and when watching some WWII movie? It isn't an active part of current public life in a way the HMD believes it should be, which maybe is lamentable.
lol 2000 people?? Stalin was a mass murderer and not to say Hitler was good, but let's just say we remember the victor's version of history
Unarguably, the holocaust was a grim reminder of prejudice and the failure of a just democracy; the barbaric atrocities inflicted on millions of innocent civillians should be heavily condemmed; yet me made a solemn symbol of peace. However, discussing this issue is undeniably a sensitive issue, it is fair to say that the sample size is insufficiently small, and not representative of the UK population, nor the cultural society of our nation. Throughout our esteemed British education we are taught to be tolerant, to be respectful and remindful of the past; appreciating the sacrifices made to those who forged our country, and established peace. The UK consists of a plethora of nationalities, intergrated together; this interwined country therefore results in having a minority who may be considered as not as educated as those who are educated under our British system. Some of these people may be illiterate, blinded to seeing the past, or ignorant. It is not a case of denial, it is a case of either ignorance, or the failure to acknowledge the past. It is unfortunate, but there isn't anything we as a society can do. What is important that the majority of the world recognises and realises the grim realities of war, and the fatal tole this has on the innocent. Together, as a herd we can be united to ensure that peace is maintained, educating future generations on our distasteful past.
Note: We also need to recognise other genocides besides the holocaust, the emphasis should also be placed on the imperialistic death camps established by the British in Africa & India; as well as the numerous masacares. Furthermore let us not forget that Western Civilisation decimated and made an established Native American Civilisation become extinct for the sake of glory. In addition to this, almost every nation is guilty of comitting impetuous genocides and crimes against humanity, it is time to add more closure to the holocaust, opening up new chapters of remembrance of the other innocent civillians who have suffered yet been neglected!
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You can find 5% of the population to support virtually any proposition you can think of.
95% agreement is very high.
(Original post by Donutorchid)
Because racial discrimination caused war and civilians died because of the war itself.
You're not wrong, but it wasn't just the Jews that were discriminated against. Hitler had planned to enslave the Slavic majority in Poland, at the very least, that's Anti-Polish sentiment, at worst it's Anti-Slavic sentiment. While I do believe that, at the time, Poland had the largest Jewish population, it is straight up wrong to place more importance on their death and suffering. In German-occupied Poland, some Volksdeutsch properties hung a sign saying "Zutritt für Polen verboten!", the literal translation being "Access for Polish forbidden". Poles were literally unwelcome in their own country in some places, much like German-Jews back in Germany.
I personally differ dying in concentration camps under inhumane conditions compared to casualties of war.
I get that, some may have been killed instantly by a bomb, while those in camps may have lived months slowly dying and suffering. But here's the issue; how many of them were Jews? Estimates put 15-20M people within those camps. 6M Jews were killed, let's say they were all put into these camps. There's still another 9-14M people there who aren't Jews. At the absolute worst, in a hypothetical situation where ever European Jew was put into a camp (I believe the estimated Jewish population just before the war was about 9M), you're still talking 6-11M other people. This is the sort of mindset I'm getting at when I say it can be argued that the importance is exaggerated. We're constantly told about the Jews, but what about the Poles or the war prisoners or god knows who else that ended up in these places?
And there is not so much to speak about why civilians were killed because in every war this would happen (for example, from what I am learning in WWII class factories in Germany were targeted to obviously cut supplies but to achieve this there are attempts and sometimes bigger bombs are needed which kills civilians too).
You're not wrong, but what makes their deaths less important? It might also interest you to know that it was the Allied forces who suffered the greatest loss of civilians. I believe the split is something like 45M to 4M, keeping in mind that the US dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, part of the Axis forces, I believe that would've been a better example of 'collateral damage'.
Statistically speaking though I do not see 95% as a bad number at all as 100% is usually never achievable in many topics.
No doubt about that. 95% isn't bad, but it's still worrying nonetheless.
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No doubt about that. 95% isn't bad, but it's still worrying nonetheless.
Millennials in America sometimes get a bad reputation, this time for good reason. A recent survey found that just 66 percent of young adults aged 18 to 24 years old have "always believed the world is round."
YouGov polled 8,215 US adults
on February 8th, 2018 to get a representative idea of America's views on the shape of the Earth. What they found would make any scientist shake their heads, a surprising percentage of responders weren't convinced the Earth is round...
In total, 84% of Americans responded that they believe the Earth is round.
95% is just fine.
For some further context:
Only 95% of Britons think Elvis Presley is dead. Only 75% think the moon landings happened.
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only 95%? lmao thats a pretty high percentage
yeah 5% of the population is either ignorant or downright dumb, nothing new there. its always been well known that there are a LOT of dimwits on this planet. i'm just surprised its 5%, thought it would be more...
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1. is just simply a bizarre argument. You obviously hang around very strange people. I would say jokes about such things releative to actual serious interest and learning are uncommon. Care to point out where these jokes and articles are?
2. I would say that is almost certainly a lie. What level did you study history to? WW2 as an event is hardly in any of the specifciation options at GCSE or GCE. WW2 for most syallbus ends at 1939.
3. You are the one that said it. Explain what you mean. I find it difficylt to believe you have sudied history to any extent, especially world war 2. Labelling the axis and allies what?
4.You are relying on social media and jokes to back up your points. Thats really desperate. WW2 was the most significant event in world history in the 20th century. If you had studied histiry youd realise students study several periods, which can inlcude colonialism, empire and many other periods, so am highly doubtful you have studied it at all.
Ok, whatever, im not good with making points lol. But don't deny that colonialism, and the horrors of it, are less known than WW2. I have NOT AT ALL learnt about it at school other than online. I know however that it may affect the country's morale when they learn about the atrocities their own countries committed.
Take a look at this:
Stop trying to win the argument. Im just rather upset that things like this are, in comparison, ignored.
I mean these comments even admit they didn't know about it.
"Belgian here. This subject is only hastily covered in our history classes. We're taught that Belgium once colonized Congo, but the horrors that happened during that time are not really discussed in depth. The world wars on the other hand..."
Ok. Now im annoyed.
Sorry, im not watering down the pain the holocaust victims felt. But this is what i'm trying to say. The holocaust gets more than its share of attention in a way.
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