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It's time to talk about Psychology degrees: can everyone please stop doing them for gods sake?

The infamously poor employment prospects of psychology doesn't seem to deter millions of young people (let's be honest, mainly girls) from choosing to study this venerable degree every year to the detriment of their future career chances. When I ask any girl what shes hoping to do at uni all i hear is psychology, psychology, psychology. What actually is the obsession? Do people have this twitch that makes them unable to comprehend studying something useful at uni? The problem is that:

a) the psychology job market over-saturated with graduates meaning very few actually go on to do something related

b) to actually be a psychologist you have to jump through so many hoops of postgrad education & work experience that few will actually follow through with their career goal

c) for those not interested in the mental health sector and who just want a normal graduate office job, the degree offers virtually no transferable skills (you won't incorporate stats into your career believe me) and has the poorest of track records for graduates:

- £17,000 starting salary

- £23k salary 5 years after graduating (vs £28k for Nursing)

- Only 45% of psych graduates end up in graduate level jobs

- 16% end up in Retail, catering, waiting and bar staff and only a shocking 4% work in the healthcare sector after uni

But that won't stop any of you. It's like half the country have all woken up today with the same ideas: go play in traffic, give that nice man from the internet some money, and do a degree in psychology.

Please don't give me the excuse that you "enjoy" the subject, you may find psychology more tolerable than others but nobody "enjoys" the pressure of hard work, assignments, exams and 9am lectures.

Be honest with yourself. The truth is you have not chosen to study psychology at uni because you enjoy it, you've chosen it because you have no bloody idea of what else to do. Why not just leave school and go straight into retail?


(Sources: https://hecsu.ac.uk/assets/assets/documents/What_do_graduates_do_2017(1).pdf ;https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harsh-lesson-the-degrees-with-worst-job-prospects-j2mx8scw9xg;https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41693230)
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lol I personally can't stand when people say them studying psychology at university is "so similar" to becoming a doctor through medicine
Who is lying to you guys
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Except I actually do enjoy psychology 😂
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It's time to talk about Psychology degrees: can everyone please stop doing them for gods sake?

The infamously poor employment prospects of psychology doesn't seem to deter millions of young people (let's be honest, mainly girls) from choosing to study this venerable degree every year to the detriment of their future career chances. When I ask any girl what shes hoping to do at uni all i hear is psychology, psychology, psychology. What actually is the obsession? Do people have this twitch that makes them unable to comprehend studying something useful at uni?

The problem is that:

a) this psychology job market over-saturated with graduates meaning very few actually go on to do something related

b) to actually be a psychologist you have to jump through so many hoops of postgrad education & work experience that few will actually follow through with their career goal

c) for those not interested in the mental health sector and who just want a normal graduate office job, the degree offers virtually no transferable skills (you won't incorporate stats into your career believe me) and has the poorest of track records for graduates:

- £17,000 starting salary

- £23k salary 5 years after graduating (vs £28k for Nursing)

- Only 45% of psych graduates end up in graduate level jobs

- 16% end up in Retail, catering, waiting and bar staff and only a shocking 4% work in the healthcare sector after uni

But that won't stop any of you. It's like half the country have all woken up today with the same ideas: go play in traffic, give that nice man from the internet some money, and do a degree in psychology.

Please don't give me the excuse that you "enjoy" the subject, you may find psychology more tolerable than others but nobody "enjoys" the pressure of hard work, assignments, exams and 9am lectures.

Be honest with yourself. the truth is you have not chosen to study psychology at uni because you enjoy it, you've chosen it because you have no bloody idea of what else to do. Why not just leave school and go straight into retail?


(Sources: https://hecsu.ac.uk/assets/assets/documents/What_do_graduates_do_2017(1).pdf ;https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/harsh-lesson-the-degrees-with-worst-job-prospects-j2mx8scw9xg;https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-41693230)
I do forensic psychology and even though you're going to tell me you know me better than I know myself, I actually do enjoy it. I love learning about different theories about why people offend, how babies develop, how people change their behaviour in groups. I enjoy researching studies supporting and refuting these theories. I kind of enjoy SPSS because it's satisfying to see all the numbers come up in the tables. The only part I don't enjoy is biopsych but that's because I don't really care for biology.

I used to want to go on to become a forensic psychologist, but I've found something unrelated to my degree I want to do after I graduate. Does that mean I'm wasting my time now? No. I'm learning and developing both academically and as a person.

If someone is dedicated enough they will complete all the training and qualifications. The money won't really matter to those people.

Please don't make sweeping generalisations like this as you haven't spoken to every single person studying psychology in the country.
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Well, the point of university is not to get a job

Academia is about learning. In this regard, psychology is as good as anything else

But of course, many people see it as a way of getting jobs and stuff
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I do forensic psychology and even though you're going to tell me you know me better than I know myself, I actually do enjoy it. I love learning about different theories about why people offend, how babies develop, how people change their behaviour in groups. I enjoy researching studies supporting and refuting these theories. I kind of enjoy SPSS because it's satisfying to see all the numbers come up in the tables. The only part I don't enjoy is biopsych but that's because I don't really care for biology.

I used to want to go on to become a forensic psychologist, but I've found something unrelated to my degree I want to do after I graduate. Does that mean I'm wasting my time now? No. I'm learning and developing both academically and as a person.

If someone is dedicated enough they will complete all the training and qualifications. The money won't really matter to those people.

Please don't make sweeping generalisations like this as you haven't spoken to every single person studying psychology in the country.
no i don't disagree that psychology is undoubtably a fascinating field. but i am sceptical you can enjoy a 'degree' - a degree is not listening to a lecturer. it's exams, assignments, dissertations, cramming and early mornings as well.
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My cousin just graduated with a Psychology degree and is now on the Civil Service Fast Stream working for the Government Statistical Service...

To work for the Government Statistical Service you you need a 2:1 degree in a subject containing formal statistical training, including Statistics, Mathematics, Economics, Sciences, Psychology and Geography.

https://www.faststream.gov.uk/govern...tical-service/
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Please don't give me the excuse that you "enjoy" the subject, you may find psychology more tolerable than others but nobody "enjoys" the pressure of hard work, assignments, exams and 9am lectures.
This seems like /r/gatekeeping if you ask me. People do enjoy it. Let people learn about what they like to learn about.
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no i don't disagree that psychology is undoubtably a fascinating field. but i am sceptical you can enjoy a 'degree' - a degree is not listening to a lecturer. it's exams, assignments, dissertations, cramming and early mornings as well.
I'm a morning person so it personally doesn't bother me that I have 9am lectures. I actually dislike having lectures at 3pm because I don't work particularly well in the afternoon. I'd rather all my lectures finished by 1pm.

You're correct that I don't enjoy the exams. Assignments are okay because I have good time management therefore I don't need to cram. I'm organised and plan my time carefully so I never have to stress study or rush to get a report finished.

The sense of achievement after opening my results and seeing I got a high 2:1 or a first in an assignment or exam is a great feeling and makes the stress worth it.

I can't comment on the dissertation as I'm in 2nd year but I can see that being a bit more stressful.

Not every student is a lazy, waking-up-at-12pm, partying, unorganised, messy lump. So again please don't make these generalisations.
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no i don't disagree that psychology is undoubtably a fascinating field. but i am sceptical you can enjoy a 'degree' - a degree is not listening to a lecturer. it's exams, assignments, dissertations, cramming and early mornings as well.
So you seem to be criticising all degrees here not just psychology.
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I'm a morning person so it personally doesn't bother me that I have 9am lectures. I actually dislike having lectures at 3pm because I don't work particularly well in the afternoon. I'd rather all my lectures finished by 1pm.

You're correct that I don't enjoy the exams. Assignments are okay because I have good time management therefore I don't need to cram. I'm organised and plan my time carefully so I never have to stress study or rush to get a report finished.

The sense of achievement after opening my results and seeing I got a high 2:1 or a first in an assignment or exam is a great feeling and makes the stress worth it.

I can't comment on the dissertation as I'm in 2nd year but I can see that being a bit more stressful.

Not every student is a lazy, waking-up-at-12pm, partying, unorganised, messy lump. So again please don't make these generalisations.
It’s not a great feeling cos 75% of other people got the same grade or higher. It doesnt feel like an accomplishment at all
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It’s not a great feeling cos 75% of other people got the same grade or higher. It doesnt feel like an accomplishment at all
Maybe for you it does. But for me knowing I worked hard and got a good grade is a personal achievement. I don't care what other people got, They aren't relevant to my degree outcome. They don't determine my happiness over my result.
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Maybe for you it does. But for me knowing I worked hard and got a good grade is a personal achievement. I don't care what other people got, They aren't relevant to my degree outcome. They don't determine my happiness over my result.
Ok but

I have seen tonnes of comments on the internet about the devaluing of degrees, the constant comparison about how rare a 2:1/first used to be compared to how it is now

degree qualifications are being ridiculed now. If you dont get a 2:1, you must be stupid etc

how does that make you feel accomplished when you see these comments? When you see investigations about degree grade inflation and whatnot
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Ok but

I have seen tonnes of comments on the internet about the devaluing of degrees, the constant comparison about how rare a 2:1/first used to be compared to how it is now

degree qualifications are being ridiculed now. If you dont get a 2:1, you must be stupid etc

how does that make you feel accomplished when you see these comments? When you see investigations about degree grade inflation and whatnot
Meh, I'm still proud of myself for getting a good grade and working hard. People can say what they like and can tell me it isn't impressive but that isn't going to change how I feel.

Just because some randos in the media think it's a rubbish grade doesn't mean I have to. I work damn hard at the work and so I have the right to be proud of myself.
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Agreed. I mean, if you really want to ponce around at a university for 3 years to 'have fun' and rack up debt then be my guest, but I'm going to tell you it's a pretty silly thing to do. You may say 'university isn't about getting jobs' but the only people that say so won't be getting said jobs. Those that benefit most from university study employable, useful degrees and do well because of it.
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I was very interested in psychology at A level, but studying it at university was a whole different ball game and I couldn't keep up. Looking back I probably wouldn't have bothered with continuing education at 16, and would have done something I actually enjoyed like Drama or music. University is not for everyone.
Having said that, everyone is free to do what they like and if someone wants to study psychology, i don't see why they shouldn't.
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I do a psychology degree. I genuinely enjoy the subject, I’m good at the subject, and I have very clear career goals in mind. I’ve networked with multiple clinical psychologists and know exactly what I need to do to get to where I want to be. Mental health is a topic of great personal significance to me and I’m extremely dedicated to being a prominent figure in my area of specialism. I will make it, I have the drive and determination to make it. It honestly really annoys me seeing some of my coursemates attitudes. They chose the subject for no good reason and they’re more into getting pissed than doing any actual work, it’s a joke.
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Wow...I actually cringed reading this post
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Meh, I'm still proud of myself for getting a good grade and working hard. People can say what they like and can tell me it isn't impressive but that isn't going to change how I feel.

Just because some randos in the media think it's a rubbish grade doesn't mean I have to. I work damn hard at the work and so I have the right to be proud of myself.
Ok, Thats good for you

sadly, i cannot say the same for myself. It simply isnt good enough, simply not impressive. I dont feel like i accomplished anything or achieved anything
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op let them make poor decisions and suffer the consequences
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