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(Original post by Vinny C)
I know the referendum was advisory but I have never used that in any of my arguments. I am however saying that if a decision (not a law) is seen not to be working then maybe it needs to be reconsidered or re-evaluated. Universal Credit, for example. That's the way common sense works. The way you lot go on, anyone would think we haven't even tried doing it your way.
Vinny we have not tried anything yet, we have not left.

Be the voice of the majority, mate your not the majority and never will be
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It would be nice if everyone who didn’t vote before would actually use his opportunity to let their voices be heard but it’s pretty unlikely. If the populace weren’t disillusioned before the vote, they definitely would be now seeing the shenanigans going on in the Houses of Parliament. I predict more or less the same number of people that voted last time would still vote again. There’s a chance it would even be less.
Without motivation, maybe. I agree most who voted before will vote the same way again but most abstainers were influenced by the false promises of plateaus of sunny delight. It sewed the necessary doubt in their minds to make them stay on the fence. Leave had Dominic Cummings organising their campaign last time and he had studied the Art of War.

A leading remainer was recently asked what is your answer to 'tell them again'? His reply was unbelievably er, um... trust them again? Remain WILL lose again unless it gets its PR act sorted, it was why it lost last time even. Just having facts and truth in your corner is not enough.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
I find it very difficult to respect the view point of people whom carry themselves in such a condensending manner, making crass statements about peoples integrity and intellectual abilities simply based on the fact they disagree with that person's opinion.

Just because you maybe prejudiced don't link that prejudiced to me just because I voted leave. Personally foreigners played no part in my decision to vote leave nor did the 99p pint which I can remember.

You are correct that another vote would solve nothing mind you, unless remaining was removed from the paper, then it could have a use. However I think it's a lot of expense for nothing.
Why exactly did you vote leave then? How exactly did the EU impact your life in any way?

All I did was state facts, and you can’t handle it. You were told that it would be better for the UK if they left the EU, now evidence has pointed to otherwise but still brexiters are convinced that it’s just scaremongering and they can be saved the power of hopes and wishes. It’s sad, that’s what it is. One day you’ll wake up and realise that the EU had very little to do with the state our country is in and the reality check will hopefully set in eventually.
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Vinny we have not tried anything yet, we have not left.

Be the voice of the majority, mate your not the majority and never will be
What a ridiculous argument... again motivated purely by the desire to force a point of no return regardless. Might as well decide a boxing match not on merit, but by shooting one of the contenders. No wonder Anna Soubry has to wear that bullet proof overcoat with you lot around.
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Without motivation, maybe. I agree most who voted before will vote the same way again but most abstainers were influenced by the false promises of plateaus of sunny delight. It sewed the necessary doubt in their minds to make them stay on the fence. Leave had Dominic Cummings organising their campaign last time and he had studied the Art of War.

A leading remainer was recently asked what is your answer to 'tell them again'? His reply was unbelievably er, um... trust them again? Remain WILL lose again unless it gets its PR act sorted, it was why it lost last time even. Just having facts and truth in your corner is not enough.
The truth is that the majority of people aren’t interested in facts and evidence, that’s why religion is such a big part of our lives. A catchy slogan and a message of hope (however untrue it is) will always get people’s votes, and unfortunately remain doesn’t instil the same type of hope that Brexit does.
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What a meaningless argument... again motivated purely by the desire to force a point of no return regardless. Might as well decide a boxing match not on points, but by shooting one of the contenders. No wonder Anna Soubry has to wear that bullet proof overcoat with you lot around.
'You lot' keep talking you both are proving whom the real prejudiced people are.

I suppose it was 'my lot' whom smashed Nigel Farages car up, physically attacked him. We have socialists whom have had their property set alight with relative hush hush from the media but poor Anna gets called a nazi by some idiot hecklers on nation TV and you can't turn your head for coverage.

Vinny open your mind to alternative veiw points, you cannot quote 'we have tried your way' then when you get informed you haven't, its meaningless, make your mind up, you mentioned it!
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I don't really care. And it's an informed don't care, rather than a 'I don't do politics' don't care.

As I've said elsewhere, the only Brexit-related thing that creates a strong feeling for me is the style of the 'debate' and the poor attitudes of some (sadly, often the loudest) participants.
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(Original post by Eva.Gregoria)
Why exactly did you vote leave then? How exactly did the EU impact your life in any way?

All I did was state facts, and you can’t handle it. You were told that it would be better for the UK if they left the EU, now evidence has pointed to otherwise but still brexiters are convinced that it’s just scaremongering and they can be saved the power of hopes and wishes. It’s sad, that’s what it is. One day you’ll wake up and realise that the EU had very little to do with the state our country is in and the reality check will hopefully set in eventually.
Sorry Eva that's not true, you told me why I voted leave. You stated your bigoted views on what I think and my intelligence level, no facts where quoted. Then you continue to by implying I'm asleep and polilcally unaware, all totally baseless and quite frankly ignorant.

If you are prepared to apologise for you're crass statements I will give you my reasoning for leave if we can debate like adults, without petty name calling?
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Sorry Eva that's not true, you told me why I voted leave. You stated your bigoted views on what I think and my intelligence level, no facts where quoted.

If you are prepared to apologise for you're crass statements I will give you my reasoning for leave if we can debate like adults, without petty name calling?
I didn’t tell you why YOU voted leave, I was generalising. Clearly you’re a different breed so I was curious about what novel reason you seemingly have for voting leave.

I will not be apologising because nowhere have I insulted you; if you choose to take offence at statements not directed at you then that’s not my problem.
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(Original post by Eva.Gregoria)
The truth is that the majority of people aren’t interested in facts and evidence, that’s why religion is such a big part of our lives. A catchy slogan and a message of hope (however untrue it is) will always get people’s votes, and unfortunately remain doesn’t instil the same type of hope that Brexit does.
Which is why it needs better catchy slogans and messages. Last time all it had was a leaflet foretelling doom and gloom. I have studied the Art of War so if Cummings is up for a head to head next time around?
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(Original post by Vinny C)
Which is why it needs better catchy slogans and messages. Last time all it had was a leaflet about doom and gloom. I have studied the Art of War so if Cummings is up for a head to head next time around?
At a fundamental level, the prospect of change will always appear more hopeful than the prospect of things remaining the same. Team remain will have to be able to get over this particular hurdle and it won’t be easy, however good luck to them.
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(Original post by Eva.Gregoria)
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I will not be apologising because nowhere have I insulted you
One day you’ll wake up and realise that the EU had very little to do with the state our country is in and the reality check will hopefully set in eventually
OK then....
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I don't really care. And it's an informed don't care, rather than a 'I don't do politics' don't care.

As I've said elsewhere, the only Brexit-related thing that creates a strong feeling for me is the style of the 'debate' and the poor attitudes of some (sadly, often the loudest) participants.
Like the Anna Soubry hate club who all stand and go 'raaaaay loudly whenever someone goes into a Eurosceptic rant about 'the will of the people' on question time. Thought I'd accidentally tuned into Match of the Day.
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Like the Anna Soubry hate club who all stand and go 'raaaaay loudly whenever someone goes into a Eurosceptic rant about 'the will of the people' on question time. Thought I'd accidentally tuned into Match of the Day.
And the Negil Farage hate club?
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I have no view on Brexit anymore. Whatever happens will happen because democracy demands it, although we do not live in a democratic society but rather one that is governed under a system with rulers that do not want to have to deal with the headache of civil unrest since it might disrupt a series of their plans.

Brexiters wanted to leave. Remainers wanted to stay. Brexiters won the battle, and now things shall go their way or else, we will get our glorious version of France.
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(Original post by Eva.Gregoria)
At a fundamental level, the prospect of change will always appear more hopeful than the prospect of things remaining the same. Team remain will have to be able to get over this particular hurdle and it won’t be easy, however good luck to them.
Team remain now have the prospect of change on their side. A change to the hopeless deadlock crippling the govt of this great nation. Dance around Brussels? It can barely limp round its own back garden. I don't do all this twitter and tweet nonsense so if someone can provide an e-mail address for Soubry and co it would be appreciated.

I recognised elements of the Art in their 2016 campaign but have only recently discovered who was behind it. The true master grasps the benefits of any situation.
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And the Negil Farage hate club?
Crikey... er, sorry, that one's Boris. I meant cheers!
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Crikey... er, sorry, that one's Boris. I meant cheers!
So you condone the actions of remain thugs who smashed his car up, physically attacked him and other things?
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So you condone the actions of remain thugs who smashed his car up, physically attacked him and other things?
What? I only asked them to throw a few eggs. Just wait until our next meeting.
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