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(1) It negatively impacts net migration.
(2) The majority of ‘illegal immigrants’ don’t cross the border illegally. They overstay leave to remain.
(3) Without sufficient resources to police the length wall, a wall can be easily crossed with something as simple as ladders.

This research is available online, through news sources, or academic sources. Methinks that you should probably look it up before accusing me of not knowing it.
I know you have not read the journal articles, so why pretend?
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Hungary is over 100 times smaller than the US, a border wall there is clearly a far less ambitious project than it would be for the states.
Luckily the GDP of the USA is over 130x bigger than Hungary. So its not terribly more ambitious in terms of scale.
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This is the case in most developed countries, including the US.

The wall is a huge load of bunk. It's designed to appeal to the Christian Right voters who put Trump in (after his very late and inexplicable conversion to some kind of, er, Christian thingy, whatever) and it's based on Netanyahu's Israel Great Wall, which of course also feeds into the Christian Right manias. Illegal immigration from Mexico has in fact been falling in recent years as the Mexican economy (despite the drug wars) steadily expands, not least with all the US businesses relocating there, another trend that Trump has completely failed to halt.

Building a continuous concrete barrier that goes deep into the subsurface as well would be hugely damaging to the ecology of whole regions and would halt important animal migrations.

It would also be a sign of the US drawing in on itself and of collapse, much as the Roman mania for wall building along the frontiers in the 2nd century AD presaged the collapse of that empire.
Let's hope it does kill off the eco-system in the waterways around the border. At least that will stop them turning the frogs gay.
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The dems didnt win because of opposition to the wall. They won because they mobilised their " Get em to the polls" voting machine. This is where they get a voter registration card into hands of. every wino, homeless person, and anyone who will trade their vote for a cup coffee and then send buses out to pick them up on voting day to get them to the polls in time to vote. They have to do this every election. because the party has moved so far to the left that maany mainstream dems have gone independent. Most Americans give a fig about the wall but do want border security.
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This is accusation without substance or merit.
It will be the moment you tell us what measures you would be willing to take to curb illegal immigration over the south border. If you can't provide a single one, the accusation stands. I'd start by asking Border patrol for their opinion.

As for this, best laugh of the day. Thanks for that.
(1) Walls don't work because:
(a) They negatively impact net migration. People are less likely to return to their home countries if there is a wall in place. A professor from Princeton has released his research on this area.
The first sentence is good but the rest is just, well... laughable to the point of making it impossible to take anything that follows seriously. Are you sure your Princeton professor isn't a bit of a Trumpophobe? is there a CNN or WP link to this?
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Even msnbc doesnt use that 7mil. figure. Border Patrol figures that roughly 60thousand a month cross illegaly at the southwest border. You are only counting Mexicans. A lot of Mex. sneek in and work a months than go back. The ones Im concerned about are from further south and cant come over and work a few than go back. they are here to stay. Total number of permanent illegals is probanly around 20mil.
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the ones who overstay are not the ones creating the problems. at least they used the system to enter. The wall will help keep out the ones who are the problem. These are ones who cant use the system because of criminal histories or gang afilliation or whatever..
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It would also be a sign of the US drawing in on itself and of collapse, much as the Roman mania for wall building along the frontiers in the 2nd century AD presaged the collapse of that empire.
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The argument the Dems want the flow of illegal entries to continue is completely credible. Proof of this is the fact thst they want a path to citizenship for those that are here before discussing ways to stop more emtering. My guess is that their path to citizenship would be little more than filling out a form. The leaders of the Dem. party are concerned with votes and money. They dont care about immigtants any mote or less than Republicans do
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Badly... he should have extended the USA down to the Panama canal. Would have made that wall much cheaper.
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Luckily the GDP of the USA is over 130x bigger than Hungary. So its not terribly more ambitious in terms of scale.
The Hungarian border wall is 325 miles long. The US-Mexico border is 3.15 million miles long. So if we're just scaling up numbers, Trump's wall is going to be 9,677 times longer than the one in Hungary. Also if we scale the cost, Hungary's project cost them €800 million ($916m), so Trump's wall would cost something ridiculous like 8 trillion dollars. And that's for a wire fence border, not even a proper wall.
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Badly... he should have extended the USA down to the Panama canal. Would have made that wall much cheaper.
They used to own Panama - worse decision they ever made, setting its people free. Far better to colonise, tyranise and oppress the poor of Latin America, like they have done for the last 150 years. Much more efficient and also good for the rich, so win-win.
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The melt doesn’t believe in global warming 😂
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I don't like Trump and I am not even liberal. That big mac eating orange baboon. He has nothing about him respect worthy. Now Putin that is a real Leader. Old school. I always remember video from Russia. Putin walks into a billionaires factory, billionaire got caught up to no good. Putin gave him a pen made the guy sign over his company to the Russian state and then the police escorted Mr Billionaire away. But Putin was not finshed! he called him back. And said "Give me back my pen!"
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The Hungarian border wall is 325 miles long. The US-Mexico border is 3.15 million miles long. So if we're just scaling up numbers, Trump's wall is going to be 9,677 times longer than the one in Hungary. Also if we scale the cost, Hungary's project cost them €800 million ($916m), so Trump's wall would cost something ridiculous like 8 trillion dollars. And that's for a wire fence border, not even a proper wall.
It's already been priced at 5bn. A fraction of the cost of illegal immigration every year.
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It's already been priced at 5bn. A fraction of the cost of illegal immigration every year.
Even the most conservative estimates say it'll cost at least 8 billion. And tell me, when has a US government constructon project ever come in on time and within budget?
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Even the most conservative estimates say it'll cost at least 8 billion. And tell me, when has a US government constructon project ever come in on time and within budget?
I believe the rebuilding of the White House by slaves after the British shelled it was done within budget. Then again, it didn't cost so much as with actual paid people.
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It's already been priced at 5bn. A fraction of the cost of illegal immigration every year.
It is embarrassing how badly informed you are.
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They used to own Panama - worse decision they ever made, setting its people free. Far better to colonise, tyranise and oppress the poor of Latin America, like they have done for the last 150 years. Much more efficient and also good for the rich, so win-win.
Exactly... just look at the poor Latin Americans since left to their own devices. Most of them want to be in the USA anyway so it would even be a democratic move.
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Russell Crowe has stunned all with his transformation into the late Roger Ailes, the head of Fox News who ended his career mired in accusations of sexual harassment.Ailes, who was also a media consultant to presidents including Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, was ousted in 2016 following multiple allegations of sexual impropriety while working at Fox, including accusations by former news anchors Megyn Kelly and Gretchen Carlson.He died just months later, three days after his 77th birthday.
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