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This manifesto will not unite people in the working class. No right-winger would seriously consider it for even a moment.

It'll only unite middle class hipsters socialists.
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Hard labour for being homophobic.
Re-education courses for transgender people.
Put people under surveillance for trying to "influence the Government". In a democracy.
Nationalise every utility company.
Kidnap obese children.

I was hesitant at first, but it's been a fun read. Thanks.
The whole idea of hard labour would not be a specialist punishment but it would replace prison as standard punishment. This would to ensure prison is a deterrent and you can readi t for yourself and read other reasons why. And these are ultimately guidelines; judges can give sentences they feel are appropriate in the context.
Re-education courses for transgender people are for people who are CONSIDERING transgenderism at a young age and are designed to help give them a balanced and reasonable view of the difficulties they may face, and to also make them aware of the magnitude of the action they are considering.
What's wrong with nationalising utilities? They would be more effective and the government gets more money to spend on people, not billionaires,
"Kindapping obese children?" You do realise obese children are already taken into care if social services believe their parents are not fit to look aft er them?
And by influencing i mean internal elements and foreign actors. Again, britain does the same right now and it is supposedly a democracy.
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This manifesto will not unite people in the working class. No right-winger would seriously consider it for even a moment.

It'll only unite middle class hipsters socialists.
I believe i will have the support of those on the right and libertarian right through my proposals to relegalise handguns and semiatuomatic rifles as well as ending mass surveillance, and foreign interventionism. not to mention supporting brexit.
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I know probably the most controversial proposal is the CRRCs (Corrective Rehabiltive Reeducation Centres). But it would save lots of money and fix an outdated prison system. I know it sounds like a gulag especially in the context but it's honestly just to make prisons hard places for prisoners and will actually benefit them. They will gain qualifications through agriculture and labour. The work they will do will be outsourced to farmers and other businesses, growing crops on the land of the camps which can then be sold for a profit, boosting the economy; the prisoners would not be paid either but would get more family visits and perhaps a reduced sentence if they are consistent in their work. Just think: the old prisons can be used to deal with the homeless epidemic by utilising them as homeless shelters; they can be turned itno social housing and we can make more money by selling a select few sites to private companies. Everyone's a winner.
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The whole idea of hard labour would not be a specialist punishment but it would replace prison as standard punishment.
That's the exact problem. Loss of liberty is supposed to be the punishment.

(Original post by ap.ferro)
Re-education courses for transgender people are for people who are CONSIDERING transgenderism at a young age and are designed to help give them a balanced and reasonable view of the difficulties they may face, and to also make them aware of the magnitude of the action they are considering.
It is not the Government's job to give re-education courses. Thoughts are private matters, to be discussed with friends and parents.

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What's wrong with nationalising utilities? They would be more effective and the government gets more money to spend on people, not billionaires,
They would be less effective because they don't need to worry about their bottom line anymore if they're fully subsidised.

(Original post by ap.ferro)
"Kindapping obese children?" You do realise obese children are already taken into care if social services believe their parents are not fit to look aft er them?
"taken into care" is a euphemism. It's just as bad.

(Original post by ap.ferro)
And by influencing i mean internal elements and foreign actors. Again, britain does the same right now and it is supposedly a democracy.
You should reword your manifesto then.
As it is it just mentions anyone "attempting to influence or harm the Government".

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I believe i will have the support of those on the right and libertarian right through my proposals to relegalise handguns and semiatuomatic rifles as well as ending mass surveillance, and foreign interventionism. not to mention supporting brexit.
Nope. They would never go for socialism. It fundamentally opposes everything they stand for.
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(Original post by Brain Damage)
That's the exact problem. Loss of liberty is supposed to be the punishment.


It is not the Government's job to give re-education courses. Thoughts are private matters, to be discussed with friends and parents.


They would be less effective because they don't need to worry about their bottom line anymore if they're fully subsidised.


"taken into care" is a euphemism. It's just as bad.


You should reword your manifesto then.
As it is it just mentions anyone "attempting to influence or harm the Government".


Nope. They would never go for socialism. It fundamentally opposes everything they stand for.
I am an old school socialist. If you go back to the thirties, we never had this kind of liberal/socialist divide. You were either left or right wing, and yes there were a few centrists. But as a whole the working class then was much more revolutionary and also was more right wing in terms of being socially conservative. That's what I want back. The "working class" of the right that is promoted by trump is a hoax. Trump is not for the working class because he has never been working class. I want to appeal to the right wing people who are tradiitonally working class and have conservative beliefs such as less immigration and gun rights etc and Christianity in addition to a new leftwing working class. I guess i would be the first alt-left party but I would avoid from necessarily using those terms, it is a party for the people.

Transgenderism demoralises gay and lesbians and also makes them feel as if their struggle for the right to their sexuality is worthless, as now you can simply change your gender and date the opposite sex. Sexuality is a private matter.

And once I have more members, I will reword the manifesto. If you believe that manifesto is "radical", I could have gone a whole lot further. Had I had it my way, I would have abolished the monarchy altogether, but I know there is never going to be popular support for that.a
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What happened in the British car industry?
The reason the British car industry doesn't exist any more is because of the EU.
If you don't know the answer to your question, you can't make the assumption you do in the second sentence. Which is wrong, by the way.
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If you don't know the answer to your question, you can't make the assumption you do in the second sentence. Which is wrong, by the way.
I'm not suggesting we should nationalise the car industry again, but Vauxhall, which is mostly owned by germany, isn't doing very well. You can read in the LTEZ subsection in the Economy section where British startups and certain foreign companies would be given significantly reduced taxes in order to build their products in the UK.

You can't simply ignore the fact that the EU has had a detrimental effect on the british car industry. Leyland wasn't nationalised until 75' - we had problems with british cars a long time before then, and even a long time before the EU. Simple things, such as British police forces being forced to buy EU vehicles through the process of buying the cheaper EU service have led to this, not to mention a million and one manufacturing and health and safety guidelines.

I don't think nationalisation is necessarily the right thing for the car industry, but they must have some incentives to start new ones in the UK.
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Sure, okay but again as I have already said: you will never have a chance of forming any kind of mainstream party with those views. People are more tolerant to socialist views in britain than say america because we are just in general more of a socialist country in terms of universal healthcare and having had nationalisation.

Why should homosexuality be outlawed?
I don't support "fashionable" homosexuality. Meaning i believe you are born gay or straight and I don't get the idea of being bisexual.
The WUP is not a facist party and generally socialism stands against facisim although as you and I have seen socialism is a concept that is actually shared by the far left and far right. for example, hitler's party was called the national socialist party. Hitler's claim to hate communists IMO only seem to be based on the fact that most of the Jews in Europe at that time were Communists, and had led the Russian Revolution. But I don't support hitler.

You can't just simply restrict immigration except for non whites. I mean trump has basically tried to do that and he's had to scale it back. There are bad people from every race. There are bad jews, there are bad blacks, there are bad asians but there also good asians, good blacks, good jews, just like there are bad whites and good whites. And in some ways some races, such as african people from former british colonies, have far more in common with us than say Polish people or Romanian. Yes we might both be europeans but our denominations are different and so our cultures and language. yes different african cultures but the thing is most africans like the UK where most eastern europeans simply move to the uk to get a job for a while then move back home. This will be especially true with poland, it's now in the eu and is becoming a highly developed country. i don't see the same happening with romania or albania any time soon.

As I said, who do you think (in terms of poltiical views ie liberals/socialists/facists would support me.

The aim of my party is to unite right wing and left wing working classes on the premise of a better country.

I would probably claim to support LGBT but later pass legislation against transgenders. On a personal level I do not like transgenderism and i intend to use this to get voter support on the right.
Looks at the backlash Corbyn is getting for his reheated Keynesianism. That’s nothing to what would happen with full scale socialism not to mention your other authoritarian policies.

Homosexuality should be outlawed because it’s anti social , disgusting and promotes degeneracy. As we have seen there is a slippery slope which will end up with legalised pedastry.

Your posts alone would be considered highly homophobic by mainstream standards and there’s little point in advocating for people which are a tiny minority which will never vote for you. Bolsonaro is very homophobic and won a strong victory in brazil.

You may as well be a fascist party as most of the left would classify you that already and certainly would if they knew you were trying to win over fascists. That’s why they hate the Russian and Greek communist parties and are siding with the neocons on Venezuela! The principled anti war left is dying, with most of its adherents banished to RT such as Slavoj Zizek. A lot of them have come over to the Alt Right, and certainly not vice versa.

Hitler did indeed hate communism because of its jewish roots but also because of its materialist conception of the universe and it’s opposition to spirituality, culture and identity- Lenin committed highly disgusting war crimes like burning churches and raping nuns etc.
After the War Stalin purged a lot of the Jewish element who were responsible for a lot of this stuff and that’s when a lot of them became ardent neocons like Irving Kristal et al.

Trump has had to scale back a lot of his promises because of the bought and paid for judiciary and other forms of liberal government that would stop a lot of your policies dead in the water. You may as well give up on scrapping trident because it won’t get through the HoL.

As for Race, I won’t argue about it here because I am likely to get banned - but I have no problem with races expressing their own interest which is healthy and fundamental for having a strong and equitable society. Most Jews are highly dishonest and will support good policies for their own people in Israel but not for others, such as with economic and social policies eg jewish members of Congress voting against trump’s wall after years funding such measures for Israel. In some ways Israel is modelled on National Socialism which can never be allowed in western countries because of the six million which you are not allowed to question.

As it stands now only a tiny portion of die hard leftist and Maoist remnants would vote for you.

The time is not quite ready yet for a fascist party to step up but we are getting there. Once brexit is crushed, UKIP will surge and then there will be a plot between the libertarian and nationalist elements. But this will all happen in the next ten years where a lot of things could happen yet.

i don’t support lying to oeople. Thats what the media and liberals do.
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I wonder how many people British Communism would kill, hopefully we can beat Mao's 80 million top score because remember the socialist motto; It will be different this time!
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Looks at the backlash Corbyn is getting for his reheated Keynesianism. That’s nothing to what would happen with full scale socialism not to mention your other authoritarian policies.

Homosexuality should be outlawed because it’s anti social , disgusting and promotes degeneracy. As we have seen there is a slippery slope which will end up with legalised pedastry.

Your posts alone would be considered highly homophobic by mainstream standards and there’s little point in advocating for people which are a tiny minority which will never vote for you. Bolsonaro is very homophobic and won a strong victory in brazil.

You may as well be a fascist party as most of the left would classify you that already and certainly would if they knew you were trying to win over fascists. That’s why they hate the Russian and Greek communist parties and are siding with the neocons on Venezuela! The principled anti war left is dying, with most of its adherents banished to RT such as Slavoj Zizek. A lot of them have come over to the Alt Right, and certainly not vice versa.

Hitler did indeed hate communism because of its jewish roots but also because of its materialist conception of the universe and it’s opposition to spirituality, culture and identity- Lenin committed highly disgusting war crimes like burning churches and raping nuns etc.
After the War Stalin purged a lot of the Jewish element who were responsible for a lot of this stuff and that’s when a lot of them became ardent neocons like Irving Kristal et al.

Trump has had to scale back a lot of his promises because of the bought and paid for judiciary and other forms of liberal government that would stop a lot of your policies dead in the water. You may as well give up on scrapping trident because it won’t get through the HoL.

As for Race, I won’t argue about it here because I am likely to get banned - but I have no problem with races expressing their own interest which is healthy and fundamental for having a strong and equitable society. Most Jews are highly dishonest and will support good policies for their own people in Israel but not for others, such as with economic and social policies eg jewish members of Congress voting against trump’s wall after years funding such measures for Israel. In some ways Israel is modelled on National Socialism which can never be allowed in western countries because of the six million which you are not allowed to question.

As it stands now only a tiny portion of die hard leftist and Maoist remnants would vote for you.

The time is not quite ready yet for a fascist party to step up but we are getting there. Once brexit is crushed, UKIP will surge and then there will be a plot between the libertarian and nationalist elements. But this will all happen in the next ten years where a lot of things could happen yet.

i don’t support lying to oeople. Thats what the media and liberals do.
Well, Hitler was basically an atheist and did outlaw christmas and other christian traditions so I doubt it would have anything to do with that. I'm not some pacifist like corbyn is, i'm more similar to george galloway; george galloway isn't mainstream as such and even went on the alex jones show years ago.

Would you onsider hoining the party?
And i agree with what you say about jews, at least it is true for some jews but couldn't you argue other races do the same thing?

UKIP is in a terrible state right now. It needs farage back. no one took UKIP seriously for years until close to the referendum and now farage is not there ukip is a joke again.
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I wonder how many people British Communism would kill, hopefully we can beat Mao's 80 million top score because remember the socialist motto; It will be different this time!
How many people have been killed because of worldwide capitalism/austerity?
Well there's actually not a number yet but it wont be long until it excedes the number killed by communism,
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How many people have been killed because of worldwide capitalism/austerity?
Well there's actually not a number yet but it wont be long until it excedes the number killed by communism,
Can you please define what you mean by austerity?
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Can you please define what you mean by austerity?
Meaning cuts to the welfare state such as cutting social housing, cutting NHS, mental health, homeless support, etc as well as police and ambulance cuts.
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Meaning cuts to the welfare state such as cutting social housing, cutting NHS, mental health, homeless support, etc as well as police and ambulance cuts.
So capitalism is killing people by not providing those services?
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So capitalism is killing people by not providing those services?
Uh...yes!

If an ambulance doesn't get to you in time you may die. If there is no beds in a hospital and you are sent home when you are ill you may die. If you do not have mental health care you may die of suicide. If you do not have a home you may die of either suicide or the cold weather as seen recently. If you do not have enough police you may die because by the time the police get to you you could have been killed by a criminal.

Austerity kills.
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Uh...yes!

If an ambulance doesn't get to you in time you may die. If there is no beds in a hospital and you are sent home when you are ill you may die. If you do not have mental health care you may die of suicide. If you do not have a home you may die of either suicide or the cold weather as seen recently. If you do not have enough police you may die because by the time the police get to you you could have been killed by a criminal.

Austerity kills.
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but I know there is never going to be popular support for that.a
To be honest, mate, if your manifesto is trying to mold itself around popularity, and only including things that would be popular within, I would just chuck the entire thing in the bin.

"Old School" Socialism lost the battle of ideas quite a while ago. I'd at least have a bit of respect for you if you were advocating for Social Democracy or the Third Way.
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Uh...yes!

If an ambulance doesn't get to you in time you may die. If there is no beds in a hospital and you are sent home when you are ill you may die. If you do not have mental health care you may die of suicide. If you do not have a home you may die of either suicide or the cold weather as seen recently. If you do not have enough police you may die because by the time the police get to you you could have been killed by a criminal.

Austerity kills.
Jesus Christ, that is something to the dumbest **** I've heard. The natural state of humans is nothing. You cannot claim that Capitalism is killing people by NOT providing something.
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You cannot claim that Capitalism is killing people by NOT providing something.
Uh isn’t that what capitalists attack communism for? 😂
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