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(Original post by HighOnGoofballs)
To be honest, mate, if your manifesto is trying to mold itself around popularity, and only including things that would be popular within, I would just chuck the entire thing in the bin.

"Old School" Socialism lost the battle of ideas quite a while ago. I'd at least have a bit of respect for you if you were advocating for Social Democracy or the Third Way.
The third way is also dying in the battle of ideas. Thatcherism is also dead. Economic socialism is coming back and is not the same as in the past.

Things like automation has massively shifted the Overton window (rightly) to the left (on economic issues): we have monopolies on things like Facebook and Google where there is no competition (and any potential competition is shut down as a ‘security risk’).
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I believe i will have the support of those on the right and libertarian right through my proposals to relegalise handguns and semiatuomatic rifles as well as ending mass surveillance, and foreign interventionism. not to mention supporting brexit.
A couple of things:

The right care about being armed in order to protect the very liberties you are proposing to deprive them of. Considering your goal of scrapping Trident and aligning with Russia over the USA, do you seriously believe that the right would accept that as a compromise?

Also, you claim that Christianity shares many of your values, yet consistently advocate outright stealing:
"The Royal Family will have unessential possessions seized" (p.23)
"All utility services will be seized from private control and returned to the state"(p.19)
("seizure" is a cowardly word by the way)

Your entire model violates the basic tenets of a guarantee of private property, inconsistent with Christian values and certainly unappealing to the right. (I would recommend reading the Lockean model of God-derived property rights). May I also remind you of the parable of the talents (Matthew 25):

20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:



“If Capitalism improves the economic position all round, it is of secondary importance that it does not raise all to the same level. A social order is not bad simply because it helps one more than the other.”

― Ludwig von Mises, Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
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(Original post by mattjaem)
A couple of things:

The right care about being armed in order to protect the very liberties you are proposing to deprive them of. Considering your goal of scrapping Trident and aligning with Russia over the USA, do you seriously believe that the right would accept that as a compromise?

Also, you claim that Christianity shares many of your values, yet consistently advocate outright stealing:
"The Royal Family will have unessential possessions seized" (p.23)
"All utility services will be seized from private control and returned to the state"(p.19)
("seizure" is a cowardly word by the way)

Your entire model violates the basic tenets of a guarantee of private property, inconsistent with Christian values and certainly unappealing to the right. (I would recommend reading the Lockean model of God-derived property rights). May I also remind you of the parable of the talents (Matthew 25):

20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.

21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.

23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.

24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:

25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.

26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:



“If Capitalism improves the economic position all round, it is of secondary importance that it does not raise all to the same level. A social order is not bad simply because it helps one more than the other.”

― Ludwig von Mises, Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
Jesus was anti monarchy. Jesus was not for the mega rich.
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IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

Comrades, the Gang Assets Act 2019 will be up for debate tommorow night in the MHOC.

If you have not read it already, do have a look.

It cannot be changed at this point as it has already been submitted to the speaker.

I hope you will support it, it is the first step to cracking down on the crime that is plaguing our nation!

AP.Ferro

General Secretary of the Worker's Union Party

Running as Independent in By-Election
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