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So what I know is that equilibrium is first established at time 3 minutes into the reaction because I see that at this time the rate of forward and backward reactions are occurring at equal rates as well as concentrations of both reactant and product being kept the same.

Now how would I sketch the conc of SO2 on the graph, I think definitely the curve would level off after time 3 minutes (as this is where equilibrium is established) but how would I figure out the concentration that it would go up to.

I know also that when sketching the line, it should begin from the origin because when starting an equilibrium mixture you start off with 0 moles of product.

I tried using the molar ratio from the Q, where the molar ratio between SO3 and SO2 is 2:2, so would the conc go up to 0.1 mol dm-3, or instead would I look at the molar ratio between SO2 and O2 which is 2:1 so the conc would go up to 0.3 mol dm-3 since 0.15 * 2 = 0.3.

I'm not really sure what the answer could be here? Any help would be really nice!

Thanks!
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Original post by Yatayyat
EDIT: look at post below to see question.

So what I know is that equilibrium is first established at time 3 minutes into the reaction because I see that at this time the rate of forward and backward reactions are occurring at equal rates as well as concentrations of both reactant and product being kept the same.

Now how would I sketch the conc of SO2 on the graph, I think definitely the curve would level off after time 3 minutes (as this is where equilibrium is established) but how would I figure out the concentration that it would go up to.

I know also that when sketching the line, it should begin from the origin because when starting an equilibrium mixture you start off with 0 moles of product.

I tried using the molar ratio from the Q, where the molar ratio between SO3 and SO2 is 2:2, so would the conc go up to 0.1 mol dm-3, or instead would I look at the molar ratio between SO2 and O2 which is 2:1 so the conc would go up to 0.3 mol dm-3 since 0.15 * 2 = 0.3.

I'm not really sure what the answer could be here? Any help would be really nice!

Thanks!

Use the molar ratio of the products, so you will get 0.3 mol dm-3
You're correct that the concentration will be reached in 3 mins. At each of time point up to 3 mins you could plot the SO2 conc as being exactly twice the O2 conc - this will help you draw the curve for SO2
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Original post by ChemistryWebsite
Use the molar ratio of the products, so you will get 0.3 mol dm-3
You're correct that the concentration will be reached in 3 mins. At each of time point up to 3 mins you could plot the SO2 conc as being exactly twice the O2 conc - this will help you draw the curve for SO2

I see, why would it be incorrect to use the molar ratio for 2SO3 to 2SO2 i.e. a molar ratio of 1:1?
Original post by Yatayyat
I see, why would it be incorrect to use the molar ratio for 2SO3 to 2SO2 i.e. a molar ratio of 1:1?

It's not incorrect to do so, just not as straightforward (in my opinion).
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Original post by ChemistryWebsite
It's not incorrect to do so, just not as straightforward (in my opinion).


But if we did, does that not mean the concentration of SO2 would be 0.1 mol dm-3 and not 0.3 mol dm-3?
Original post by Yatayyat
But if we did, does that not mean the concentration of SO2 would be 0.1 mol dm-3 and not 0.3 mol dm-3?

No. You will end up with the same answer by any valid method.
The concentration is the concentration regardless of which method we use to calculate it. Our method of doing the maths can't influence what is happening in the vessel.
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Original post by ChemistryWebsite
No. You will end up with the same answer by any valid method.
The concentration is the concentration regardless of which method we use to calculate it. Our method of doing the maths can't influence what is happening in the vessel.


Yes, but I’m just a bit confused with how the equation was set up.

Firstly, molar ratio for SO3 to SO2 is 1:1, if the equilibrium concentration for SO3 is 0.1 mol dm-3, shouldn’t the same concentration apply to SO2 I.e. 0.1 * 1 = 0.1 so SO2 has conc 0.1 mol dm-3

Secondly, molar ratio for SO2 to O2 is 2:1, and the concentration of O2 is 0.15 mol dm-3, so concentration for SO2 is 0.15 * 2 = 0.3 hence the conc for SO2 is 0.3 mol dm-3

These are giving two different answers. I’m sorry but I’m not sure if I understand what method to use that gives the concentration of SO2 to always be the same no matter what.

Sorry if I’m complicating things more than it has to be.
Original post by Yatayyat
Yes, but I’m just a bit confused with how the equation was set up.

Firstly, molar ratio for SO3 to SO2 is 1:1, if the equilibrium concentration for SO3 is 0.1 mol dm-3, shouldn’t the same concentration apply to SO2 I.e. 0.1 * 1 = 0.1 so SO2 has conc 0.1 mol dm-3

Secondly, molar ratio for SO2 to O2 is 2:1, and the concentration of O2 is 0.15 mol dm-3, so concentration for SO2 is 0.15 * 2 = 0.3 hence the conc for SO2 is 0.3 mol dm-3

These are giving two different answers. I’m sorry but I’m not sure if I understand what method to use that gives the concentration of SO2 to always be the same no matter what.

Sorry if I’m complicating things more than it has to be.

You need to consider that as the SO3 concentration falls, the SO2 concentration increases because SO2 is formed from the decomposition of SO3. To work out the final SO2 concentration you have to calculate how much the SO3 concentration has decreased by.
The SO3 con started at 0.4 and finished at 0.1, a decrease of 0.3. Therefore the SO2 concentration increases by 0.3 from zero to 0.3.
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Original post by ChemistryWebsite
You need to consider that as the SO3 concentration falls, the SO2 concentration increases because SO2 is formed from the decomposition of SO3. To work out the final SO2 concentration you have to calculate how much the SO3 concentration has decreased by.
The SO3 con started at 0.4 and finished at 0.1, a decrease of 0.3. Therefore the SO2 concentration increases by 0.3 from zero to 0.3.

Yes I see the mistake I have made now, so there is a change in concentration between the initial and final conc of SO3 to be 0.3 from 0.4 minus 0.1

And then from this change, conc goes up for SO2 to 0.3 by adding that change of 0.3 to zero as well as the conc of O2 to be 0 + 1/2(0.3) = 0.15 mol dm^-3 due to the product molar ratio.

Thank you alot, I think I understood it now :smile:

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