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This is a thread for all Comrades who support the mighty Workers Union Party.

READ THE WORKER'S MANIFESTO:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

All discussion is welcome

If there is anything you wish to challenge in the manifesto, post it here.

Can I join the WUP?
PM me.

Isn't this just communism?
It isn't really anything. It's a mix of Socialism, Eurosceptisim, Libertarian ism and old school leftwing thought.

This thread will also be used to propose bills proposed by the WUP.
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Your manifesto states that your proposed party would be “the first to support handgun ownership/legalisation” - this is false, my party, the Libertarians, have supported this for several years.

I must say however that I am impressed that you have prepared such an extensive policy document, I hope that you can attract members for this proposal especially since we are about to pass an amendment making new party formation easier.

One recommendation would be to list the usernames of prospective members in your original post.
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Your manifesto states that your proposed party would be “the first to support handgun ownership/legalisation” - this is false, my party, the Libertarians, have supported this for several years.

I must say however that I am impressed that you have prepared such an extensive policy document, I hope that you can attract members for this proposal especially since we are about to pass an amendment making new party formation easier.

One recommendation would be to list the usernames of prospective members in your original post.
I really meant in the actual UK, as that's waht I wrote it for, I did not realise there was a libertarian party here! But glad we can agree on that.

Davij038 is a prospective member so far.
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Interesting proposal. Defetinally a niche that's for sure!
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I really meant in the actual UK, as that's waht I wrote it for, I did not realise there was a libertarian party here! But glad we can agree on that.

Davij038 is a prospective member so far.
Cool, I very much hope that you are successful in setting this up, approval would come down to the Speaker Saracen's Fez.

You should edit your original post in the thread to include a list of members, starting with yourself and including Davji if he wants to participate. I would also recommend that you contact DayneD89, GaelicBolshevik and SoggyCabbages as existing far left members who may be interested in your party.
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So basically, TERF Corbyn with God, guns and Brexit. Certainly a niche, I will not be joining but I will watch with interest.
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Subscribing.

I'll need to see evidence of a reasonable level of support, as I'm concerned that the proposal so far is one person writing a wish list in a Google Doc. There is potentially a niche for a socially conservative, left-wing, Front National-style party, but it needs to be a niche that enough people want to fill. I recommend keeping a list of interested people in a prominent place (ideally the OP) to aid me and others in judging interest.
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(Original post by Saracen's Fez)
Subscribing.

I'll need to see evidence of a reasonable level of support, as I'm concerned that the proposal so far is one person writing a wish list in a Google Doc. There is potentially a niche for a socially conservative, left-wing, Front National-style party, but it needs to be a niche that enough people want to fill. I recommend keeping a list of interested people in a prominent place (ideally the OP) to aid me and others in judging interest.
Thank you!
I will contact the aforementioned

- AP.Ferro
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I'll post here as well to say I have no interest in leaving Labour. While I support some of the economic aims of this proposal and share a part of its eurosceptisism I do not support it's social policies and some of its economic policies.
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I'll post here as well to say I have no interest in leaving Labour. While I support some of the economic aims of this proposal and share a part of its eurosceptisism I do not support it's social policies and some of its economic policies.
What soical policies?
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Comrade SoggyCabbages is an interested member!
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What soical policies?
Well, taking just my objections to your social section:

Your one abortion policy is ridiculous. From a pragmatic view, it would just lead to more unsafe and illegal abortions, and from a moral standpoint I believe that it is ultimately a woman's right to choose what she does with her body. Making a fine to punish people who have an abortion is abhorrent to me.

'The WUP would actively pursue a secular Christian nation': I'm not sure you know what secular means. You want to nationalise the CoE. I'm possibly the biggest fan of nationalisation around here but that's stupid, and against the principles of a secular nation.

Your views on preventing women from having children out of wedlock is an idea best suited to a different century when marriage made more sense. I feel that you have confused correlation with causation when you say that 'statistics show that children born into single-parent families are more likely to embark on a life and crime, suffer academically, and suffer financially'.

It's a small point, but why fine Islamophobia but not other hate crimes? You later point to the same fine amount would be given for racism while a smaller fine for discriminating against religion. None of this makes much sense to me tbh.

On sex changes you're requirements for 10 people as well as both parents to agree goes against my beliefs that it is not up to the state to dictate terms. There is no reason to make the process harder other than through transphobia tbh.

Your policies on housing make little sense either. Banning home development will lead to many fewer homes being built, especially with brexit around the corner. You say that you will use our already overflowing prisons to house the homeless, while also mentioning a few new ways to fill up our prisons more. On homelessness, you just don't understand the issue tbh.
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Comrade SoggyCabbages is an interested member!
How curious that SG would decide to join this now... :beard:
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I do not believe this proposal is coherent enough and I think it will struggle to form and attract votes as a result. This is not to be insulting, because I agree with the Speaker that there is a niche for a left-wing - or even closer to the centre on economics - authoritarian party (perhaps similar to Le Pen in France), but the policies are clearly entirely your personal manifesto rather than something that could unite a group of members. It seems to encompass a bunch of ideologies which you admit, but that would be a problem in making it sustainable.

If I had to give one piece of advice, it would be to properly model one real life party/ideology as the current four parties in the House do.
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I do not believe this proposal is coherent enough and I think it will struggle to form and attract votes as a result. This is not to be insulting, because I agree with the Speaker that there is a niche for a left-wing - or even closer to the centre on economics - authoritarian party (perhaps similar to Le Pen in France), but the policies are clearly entirely your personal manifesto rather than something that could unite a group of members. It seems to encompass a bunch of ideologies which you admit, but that would be a problem in making it sustainable.

If I had to give one piece of advice, it would be to properly model one real life party/ideology as the current four parties in the House do.
Well, it is and that is socialism.

Once I get enough supporters I will have a discussion on amending the manifesto to make it more feasible. a lot of it is personal beliefs , but that was actually a more "moderate" version of what I was proposing.
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Well, it is and that is socialism.

Once I get enough supporters I will have a discussion on amending the manifesto to make it more feasible. a lot of it is personal beliefs , but that was actually a more "moderate" version of what I was proposing.
You'll find plenty of socialists within TSR labour, including myself, but you have plenty of policies that I find abhorrent. That's not to say that you're not socialist, or that I'm more socialist than you, just that its silly to infer that your policies form a coherent set of policies for socialists to really behind.

I believe what the next PM was suggesting was that you don't seem to have any coherent ideology behind many of your beliefs. They are a confusing mess of ideas rather than a coherent or organised plan for the direction of our nation.
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It's not surprising that I totally disagree with chunks of the manifesto, but best of luck with attempting to set up a new party.
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It's not surprising that I totally disagree with chunks of the manifesto, but best of luck with attempting to set up a new party.
What don't you like.
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What don't you like.
I'm not a socialist, I'm a right-wing moderate, so this was never going to appeal to me.
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I'm not a socialist, I'm a right-wing moderate, so this was never going to appeal to me.
oh thats understandable then
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