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What are all of your opinions?
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No deal looks inevitable.
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(Original post by louise672287)
What are all of your opinions?
No opinion is needed, the fact is that it is all down to Theresa May, she can stone wall the commons and give no amendments and she can’t be removed.

If she wants to do no deal then she can.

This has all been a game from start to finish with the PM out manoeuvring the opposite benches and remainers in her own party as a tactic to get through the last two years.

This has been completely down to the overwhelming majority of remainers in the commons not representing the views of their constituents or actually respecting what people voted for which was very clear.

If may extends article 50 for three months then we will be back where we are now in 3 months time.

The EU either budges from the backstop or they get a hard border anyway in April.
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No deal looks inevitable.
More likely a delay. The writing is on the wall for no deal. Only the rich, fools and idiots are now calling for a no deal. Which are you?
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my prediction? we will remain, or we will have a very very soft brexit.

Remain MPs and the EU know exactly what to do...

If the MPs who support remain, make it clear that parliment wont accept a no-deal scenario and if the EU keeps refusing to rengotiate.. then they both know as long as each side plays its part, they have a very good chance of forcing us to remain.

the MPs will do it because refusing a no-deal scenario is a win-win.. first it avoids a problem in their eyes, and secondly the only negative to it (that it weaks our netogiating position) isn't a negative for them, because the weaker our position the more likely it is that the whole thing collapses.

the EU will do it because they know as long as no-deal is off the table, they have nothing to fear by standing their ground. The more they push back and wait, the more likely it is that the UK gets cold-feet, and offers a second referendum, and a gate-way to staying in. It is in their interest not to renegotiate.. because for them we either except the deal that is on the table - which is good for the EU - or we refuse it, and make it into a binary position between no-deal or remain, and they would be increasingly confident that remain is the way parliment and the public will fall.
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the EU will do it because they know as long as no-deal is off the table, they have nothing to fear by standing their ground.
Is that true though? May is adimant that No Deal isn't off the table and prominant EU people are starting to say that no deal is looking like the least worst option. I think it will either be:

- a delay
- May's deal with a lead in period

The irony is that we seem to have forgotten that May's deal is only for 2 years until something more binding can be worked out. This is the easy bit. The next bit is way harder.
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Hopefully we won't accept a bad deal like what is being spoken about above.

May needs to follow her election promises of 'no deal is better than a bad deal' however I think the EU and UK will 'bottle it' soon and we will end up with a poor Brexit in name only sytle deal.
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(Original post by ByEeek)
More likely a delay. The writing is on the wall for no deal. Only the rich, fools and idiots are now calling for a no deal. Which are you?
When you have to insult it means you've lost the argument which pretty much sums up the remain side.
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(Original post by Libtardian)
When you have to insult it means you've lost the argument which pretty much sums up the remain side.
Absolutely 100% true, the only reason I did not rep that comment is your name seem to do exactly what you are complaining about?
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Nigel & Guy reviewing the situation in Brussels 3 days ago.

"amendments going in all directions, won and lost with a teeny-tiny minority"
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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
my prediction? we will remain, or we will have a very very soft brexit.

Remain MPs and the EU know exactly what to do...

If the MPs who support remain, make it clear that parliment wont accept a no-deal scenario and if the EU keeps refusing to rengotiate.. then they both know as long as each side plays its part, they have a very good chance of forcing us to remain.

the MPs will do it because refusing a no-deal scenario is a win-win.. first it avoids a problem in their eyes, and secondly the only negative to it (that it weaks our netogiating position) isn't a negative for them, because the weaker our position the more likely it is that the whole thing collapses.

the EU will do it because they know as long as no-deal is off the table, they have nothing to fear by standing their ground. The more they push back and wait, the more likely it is that the UK gets cold-feet, and offers a second referendum, and a gate-way to staying in. It is in their interest not to renegotiate.. because for them we either except the deal that is on the table - which is good for the EU - or we refuse it, and make it into a binary position between no-deal or remain, and they would be increasingly confident that remain is the way parliment and the public will fall.
You completely fail to realise that parliament has no power now unless granted by May or the speaker
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(Original post by ByEeek)
Is that true though? May is adimant that No Deal isn't off the table and prominant EU people are starting to say that no deal is looking like the least worst option. I think it will either be:

- a delay
- May's deal with a lead in period

The irony is that we seem to have forgotten that May's deal is only for 2 years until something more binding can be worked out. This is the easy bit. The next bit is way harder.
No the trade deal is the easy bit.
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Hopefully we won't accept a bad deal like what is being spoken about above.

May needs to follow her election promises of 'no deal is better than a bad deal' however I think the EU and UK will 'bottle it' soon and we will end up with a poor Brexit in name only sytle deal.
It’s now everything or nothing for both sides.

You get Norway or No deal
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You completely fail to realise that parliament has no power now unless granted by May or the speaker
It still has a no confidence in government option, but that would mean a fair few Conservatives splitting their own party- to date that nuclear option has not happened.If the clock runs down then who knows.

Honestly now expecting a No Deal and preparing accordingly, but a week is a long time in politics.
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(Original post by ByEeek)
Is that true though? May is adimant that No Deal isn't off the table and prominant EU people are starting to say that no deal is looking like the least worst option. I think it will either be:

- a delay
- May's deal with a lead in period

The irony is that we seem to have forgotten that May's deal is only for 2 years until something more binding can be worked out. This is the easy bit. The next bit is way harder.
Only if a solution found re the backstop in the period, and it is not two years it is to December 2020 with scope for an extension (which pretty sure will be needed)
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It’s now everything or nothing for both sides.

You get Norway or No deal
You really think Norway is there, we might get Norway style but not convinced we will be accepted into the same structure as Norway now; do not think they want a bedfellow that will continously toss and turn.
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You really think Norway is there, we might get Norway style but not convinced we will be accepted into the same structure as Norway now; do not think they want a bedfellow that will continously toss and turn.
Man Utd like Norway style.
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You really think Norway is there, we might get Norway style but not convinced we will be accepted into the same structure as Norway now; do not think they want a bedfellow that will continously toss and turn.
It’s the only option that will pass Parliament if the EU don’t budge and May decides not to do no deal.
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(Original post by paul514)
It’s now everything or nothing for both sides.

You get Norway or No deal
Sad but true
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(Original post by paul514)
You completely fail to realise that parliament has no power now unless granted by May or the speaker
officially yes - practically no

In practise they can tie her hands up, make her unelectable, refuse anything that comes their way, make her appear undemocratic, and grind the country to a halt if they wanted to.
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