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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Sorry can you please confirm nissan said they are taking business away from Sunderland or even any branch because of Brexit?
Nissan want to manufacture a new car. Doing so in the UK is risky so they are doing it elsewhere. This effectively puts Sunderland at risk. Not today and possibly not next year but the future isn't bright. It doesn't take an expert to realise that surely.
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Its way yoo simplistic. It costs £200 a year for my son to join a football club and all we get for that money is his kit, a cheap rainproof in club colours and a water bottle with his name on it that has already been broken. We have surely been ripped off no?

Except that cost also covers his training, match fees and FA registration subs. How can I put a monetary value on his enjoyment and personal development?

Sure we pay more in than we get back in pure money, but that isn't how clubs work is it?
Yes and no, the main idea if the EEC was a good one in theory, the political EU is a different beast mind you.

Yes a club is a luxury, that gives a product for a cost, whatever that product is, is valued different to everyone. Now for the No part, However when we are borrowing each day eye watering as that our children will have to repay one day. Largely to benifit other members of the club, Italy are looking next in line for a nail out, also you seemly are pointing out that the EU is so beneficial to us we will sink without it, that's just not true is it?

I do respect you're opinion mate, I'd like to say thanks for the debate personally I have really enjoyed it, I do think we may have to agree to differ at some point mind you
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(Original post by ByEeek)
Nissan want to manufacture a new car. Doing so in the UK is risky so they are doing it elsewhere. This effectively puts Sunderland at risk. Not today and possibly not next year but the future isn't bright. It doesn't take an expert to realise that surely.
Oh mate I had you for more intelligence than that, that's not the case at all.

Renault owns has a huge amount of Nissan for a start, why would you believe the sensationalist media over the company itself?

The X- trail only going to be built in Japan as make economic sense. As I said to @Vinny C suppose you are a large manufacturing company boss and you have 2 factories 1 in Japan where the demand for diesel cars is very high and the other in the uk where the demands for diesel cars is very low due to government sanctions. Where would you decide to build your new diesel cars?

Nissan's planned new Qashqai going ahead at Sunderland
Planned new Juke going ahead at Sunderland
Planned new 40 million pound press. Going ahead in Sunderland
New 80 million pound paint shop. Just opened on 1st January at Sunderland.

So please tell me how are Nissan closing down because of Brexit?

As for HMV do I really need to explain....
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Yes and no, the main idea if the EEC was a good one in theory, the political EU is a different beast mind you.

Yes a club is a luxury, that gives a product for a cost, whatever that product is, is valued different to everyone. Now for the No part, However when we are borrowing each day eye watering as that our children will have to repay one day. Largely to benifit other members of the club, Italy are looking next in line for a nail out, also you seemly are pointing out that the EU is so beneficial to us we will sink without it, that's just not true is it?

I do respect you're opinion mate, I'd like to say thanks for the debate personally I have really enjoyed it, I do think we may have to agree to differ at some point mind you
It all sounds well and good, but do you honestly believe that if Italy goes under, the UK will be unaffected or without obligation outside the EU?
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Oh mate I had you for more intelligence than that, that's not the case at all.

Renault owns has a huge amount of Nissan for a start, why would you believe the sensationalist media over the company itself?

The X- trail only going to be built in Japan as make economic sense. As I said to @Vinny C suppose you are a large manufacturing company boss and you have 2 factories 1 in Japan where the demand for diesel cars is very high and the other in the uk where the demands for diesel cars is very low due to government sanctions. Where would you decide to build your new diesel cars?

Nissan's planned new Qashqai going ahead at Sunderland
Planned new Juke going ahead at Sunderland
Planned new 40 million pound press. Going ahead in Sunderland
New 80 million pound paint shop. Just opened on 1st January at Sunderland.

So please tell me how are Nissan closing down because of Brexit?

As for HMV do I really need to explain....
Fair dos. I stand corrected.
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(Original post by ByEeek)
It all sounds well and good, but do you honestly believe that if Italy goes under, the UK will be unaffected or without obligation outside the EU?
Yes
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Nice, anything to add apart from your bigoted insulting pictures?
Yes... https://www.theengineer.co.uk/nissan...il-sunderland/
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Well I read a thing just now about which countries mainly use WTO rules: https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-act...s-1b6127ce33c6

I then found this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41859691
After Brexit, or any transitional period, the UK could not automatically adopt trade arrangements that currently exist between the EU and other countries - it would have to negotiate its own.
Can't say no deal looks particularly appealing.
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So, US is going to tell HSBC to do as it says or no access to Europe and USA, well on volume of activity outside these two areas they would likely go with Pacific rather than with these two countries.

Re China are you perhaps looking at city average wages rather than country average wages, country average circa 74,318 CNY, circa £8,500 p.a.

https://tradingeconomics.com/china/wages

Where has most of the world's growth come from lduring ast decade?

Over ten years ago I attended a breakfact briefing from the chief economist at Clydesdale Bank (they did a good bacon roll) .the summing up was the most encouraging thing he could suggest was to ensure our children learnt Cantonese and Mandarin.

You cannot buck the tend and nor can governments.
Well government control the rules for everything, so they can.

As for where’s the growth come from, that’s simple, institutions lending to China and its companies and outside investment in China by our companies all things are governments can do what they like about it.

To repeat I’m not advocating anything just stating a fact
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(Original post by ByEeek)
Sure, everything is aligned. But politically we are leaving the perfect deal. Are you suggesting we stay aligned with the EU from now into the future? I thought you wanted sovereignty?
What he needs is a lie detector alarm. Sorry... just noticed he has one built in - like Pinocchio
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Nice to finally see one or two remainers with the courage to stick their heads above the parapet. The times, they are a changing. Normally... it's me vs. 5 Brexiteers. They're much more vocal when 5 onto one but now seem strangely silent. I'm far from convinced they've all gone to bed.
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
Oh mate I had you for more intelligence than that, that's not the case at all.

Renault owns has a huge amount of Nissan for a start, why would you believe the sensationalist media over the company itself?

The X- trail only going to be built in Japan as make economic sense. As I said to @Vinny C suppose you are a large manufacturing company boss and you have 2 factories 1 in Japan where the demand for diesel cars is very high and the other in the uk where the demands for diesel cars is very low due to government sanctions. Where would you decide to build your new diesel cars?

Nissan's planned new Qashqai going ahead at Sunderland
Planned new Juke going ahead at Sunderland
Planned new 40 million pound press. Going ahead in Sunderland
New 80 million pound paint shop. Just opened on 1st January at Sunderland.

So please tell me how are Nissan closing down because of Brexit?

As for HMV do I really need to explain....
Sure... https://www.theguardian.com/business...actory-reports
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Well government control the rules for everything, so they can.

As for where’s the growth come from, that’s simple, institutions lending to China and its companies and outside investment in China by our companies all things are governments can do what they like about it.

To repeat I’m not advocating anything just stating a fact
That makes a change, you normally deny them (see above).
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(Original post by paul514)
Well government control the rules for everything, so they can.

As for where’s the growth come from, that’s simple, institutions lending to China and its companies and outside investment in China by our companies all things are governments can do what they like about it.

To repeat I’m not advocating anything just stating a fact
Governments control what they can control, and less and less can individual governments shape the world, power is vested in very large entities these days, USA, China and EU being the big players. If you looked at the list of banks I posted you would see that large numbers are Chinese not western, the power of China will continue to grow (absent political implosion/fragmentation), the momentum is in that direction and frankly there is little individual countries can do, hence strategic alliances like the EU are, however much one might wish otherwise, a necessary consequence of this trend- the question is therefore does a country unhitch itself from its bloc, as the UK is doing, to me there lies madness but I suspect we differ re the longer term perspective of where the world has already headed and will continue to head.
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Of course one has to remember the French government's stake in Renault, I think 15%.
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Of course one has to remember the French government's stake in Renault, I think 15%.
And like I Renault own a large part of Nissan too i was reading somthing or watching something about this the other day, basically a couple of plant workers was angry at the slant/lies the media are putting on this to twist everything into a Brexit arugement for sensationalism.

I'll try and find it on my break
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A bit of light relief . .
https://www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co....2169861306728/
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In my personal opinion may is doing well. She is negationating in tough conditions with the Irish backstop and she is having even more trouble as our mps can't realise that a no deal is our bargaining chip and if We rule it out we lose all leverage on negotiations. If we stop we shall be stuck forever and will have to accept the eu army and other stuff like that from people we don't vote for even though our ancestors died for us to be free and have our say democratically. Corbyn doesn't want to leave and will stop it at all costs, he hasn't a clue what he is doing.I'm just 15 though so ignore me
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(Original post by Burton Bridge)
And like I Renault own a large part of Nissan too i was reading somthing or watching something about this the other day, basically a couple of plant workers was angry at the slant/lies the media are putting on this to twist everything into a Brexit arugement for sensationalism.

I'll try and find it on my break
Always the same... blame it on Brexit and it's a conspiracy. I blame those immigrants myself, them and their foreign ways!

https://europe.autonews.com/blogs/ho...apanese-brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/business...actory-reports

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/busi...he-no-15582388
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Second Referendum needed definitely.I believe there is not point in Brexit.The referendum we had in 2016 was unfair. Firstly people were feed false information such as immigrants are taking out jobs and the NHS is losing money.Immigrants are taking the jobs that most English people aren't qualified ed to do or taking manual labour jobs that English people aren't willing to do.Most of the NHS specialist doctors and nurses aren't native English.Also several MPs and sources have said the vote numbers were forged and not real.May I also addd that 51 to 49 isn't enough majority to make this decision.Furthermore the most search on google weeks after the referendum was ' what is the eu?'.We should have a second vote and put it back to the people.Over the last year there has being the largest protest march in the century for people's vote.We are more informed now and people will make a better decision.This wasn't meant to offend or hurt anyone by the way just give my strong remain EU forever opinion
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