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A Level maths Integration Question

We are currently doing A level practice papers for the Edexcel spec and I came across an 8 marker relating to integration and I have no idea how to approach it. The question goes:
Given that (top limit lnb. bottom limit LN2) (e^2x/e^2x -1)dx = ln4, find the value of b showing each step in your working.

Any suggestions would be appreciated 😀

Reply 1

Original post by sasha_m_howard
We are currently doing A level practice papers for the Edexcel spec and I came across an 8 marker relating to integration and I have no idea how to approach it. The question goes:
Given that (top limit lnb. bottom limit LN2) (e^2x/e^2x -1)dx = ln4, find the value of b showing each step in your working.

Any suggestions would be appreciated 😀


Are you familiar with the fact that: f(x)f(x).dx=lnf(x)+const.\displaystyle \int \dfrac{f'(x)}{f(x)} .dx = \ln |f(x)| + \mathrm{const.} ??

Reply 2

Original post by RDKGames
Are you familiar with the fact that: f(x)f(x).dx=lnf(x)+const.\displaystyle \int \dfrac{f'(x)}{f(x)} .dx = \ln |f(x)| + \mathrm{const.} ??


Unfortunately im not familiar with that notation. what does it mean?

Reply 3

Original post by sasha_m_howard
Unfortunately im not familiar with that notation. what does it mean?


I see you're using the TSR app to post comments. If you see code in my last post (and naturally it doesn't make sense) then view this page from a browser instead. The app doesn't translate code at the moment.

Anyway, all it says is that if you are integrating a quotient where the function in the numerator is exact derivative of the function in the denominator, then the integral simply evaluates to log of that denominator function.

Reply 4

Original post by RDKGames
I see you're using the TSR app to post comments. If you see code in my last post (and naturally it doesn't make sense) then view this page from a browser instead. The app doesn't translate code at the moment.

Anyway, all it says is that if you are integrating a quotient where the function in the numerator is exact derivative of the function in the denominator, then the integral simply evaluates to log of that denominator function.


Ah, that must be it lol. Okay thank you very much, I'll try and give this a go I've already worked out the integral just need to get b.

Reply 5

Original post by sasha_m_howard
Ah, that must be it lol. Okay thank you very much, I'll try and give this a go I've already worked out the integral just need to get b.


My suggestion was a start on doing that, but if you've already done that, what do you get after you work out the integral?

Reply 6

Original post by RDKGames
My suggestion was a start on doing that, but if you've already done that, what do you get after you work out the integral?


1/2×ln |e^2x -1|

Reply 7

Original post by sasha_m_howard
1/2×ln |e^2x -1|


Sounds good, so now just apply the limits.

The upper limit yields: 12lne2lnb1\dfrac{1}{2}\ln|e^{2\ln b} - 1|

The lower limit yields: 12lne2ln21\dfrac{1}{2} \ln |e^{2\ln 2} - 1|


These simplify a bit considering that elnA=Ae^{\ln A} = A

Reply 8

Original post by RDKGames
Sounds good, so now just apply the limits.

The upper limit yields: 12lne2lnb1\dfrac{1}{2}\ln|e^{2\ln b} - 1|

The lower limit yields: 12lne2ln21\dfrac{1}{2} \ln |e^{2\ln 2} - 1|


These simplify a bit considering that elnA=Ae^{\ln A} = A

Okay I've done that I got a decimal value for the Ln2 limit but with regards to the lnb im not sure what to do.

Reply 9

Original post by sasha_m_howard
Okay I've done that I got a decimal value for the Ln2 limit but with regards to the lnb im not sure what to do.


Decimal value...?? No, don't round anything here.

You need to say: 12lne2ln21=12ln3\dfrac{1}{2} \ln |e^{2\ln 2} - 1| = \dfrac{1}{2} \ln 3

And similarly with the upper limit.

Reply 10

Original post by RDKGames
Decimal value...?? No, don't round anything here.

You need to say: 12lne2ln21=12ln3\dfrac{1}{2} \ln |e^{2\ln 2} - 1| = \dfrac{1}{2} \ln 3

And similarly with the upper limit.

Oh wait yeah, silly habit of putting everything into the calculator like in year 1. Thanks

Reply 11

which maths practise paper is that question from?

Reply 12

Original post by RDKGames
Are you familiar with the fact that: f(x)f(x).dx=lnf(x)+const.\displaystyle \int \dfrac{f'(x)}{f(x)} .dx = \ln |f(x)| + \mathrm{const.} ??

Maybe you could've been more clear about this 5 years ago. TSR people are notoriously unhelpful. Where and when is this used.

Reply 13

Original post by hwhejfjejsjx
Maybe you could've been more clear about this 5 years ago. TSR people are notoriously unhelpful. Where and when is this used.

Please don't resurrect 5 year old threads for no reason when the question has already been answered.

Not sure what your observation about "TSR people" is supposed to mean - the hint given is both relevant and helpful, and applies directly to the problem posed by the OP, which answers your question about "when" and "where" it is used!

(If the OP wasn't familiar with that rule, then a simple substitution would have enabled them to reach the same result 🙂 )

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