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Councillors in Edinburgh have voted in favour of a "tourist tax", which could become the first of its kind in the UK.

However, the new tax will not come into effect until the Scottish Parliament has passed enabling legislation, which is unlikely to happen before next year.

Edinburgh's transient visitor levy (TVL) proposals include a £2-per-night charge added to the price of any room for the first week of a stay.
It would apply to all accommodation, including Airbnb-style short-term lets.
mahttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47157011

My estimate is that the Scots will be pouring over the border within a decade and begging Westminster to rescue them from the socialists, they will have to become even more creative at thinking up ways to make people part company with their money. The socialist groovy-train is a bottomless pit everywhere in the world.
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(Original post by zhog)
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My estimate is that the Scots will be pouring over the border within a decade and begging Westminster to rescue them from the socialists, they will have to become even more creative at thinking up ways to make people part company with their money. The socialist groovy-train is a bottomless pit everywhere in the world.
AirBnB is a looming Edinburgh problem, flats and properties are switching to this as their business model impacting the supply of more traditional rental properties in a city that already has a reasonably large student population and rents which keep increasing. Whilst the Housing Bill in 2016 allows for rent control areas none have yet been implemented

Personally I would go after them by insisting they pay rates rather than council tax (which does actually apply but a lot get through the net), insisting on far stricter adherence to building control and fire safety standards and like HMOs I would require permission to operate a flat as an, in effect, mini hotel. I would also remove them from the scope for small business rates relief.I have little issue with someone renting a spare room in their own house but this is now a wholesale business model with operators buying and operating multiple flats in the city centre which is great for the tourist industry but not so great for the locals.

The overnight charge hits hotels and guest houses somewhat unfairly, they are already paying rates, it is the wrong tool to address what is becoming a significant issue .
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(Original post by zhog)
mahttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47157011

My estimate is that the Scots will be pouring over the border within a decade and begging Westminster to rescue them from the socialists, they will have to become even more creative at thinking up ways to make people part company with their money. The socialist groovy-train is a bottomless pit everywhere in the world.
Gosh, you really are boring. And you're getting triggered about a separate country issuing a tax that you're not going to have to pay.

All governments tax to raise money, including the Tories and your beloved Trump.

Because you know, taxation pays for things that we.need as a society, like the police, fire service, ambulance, courts, child care, healthcare, roads, bridges, schools and the armed forces... to name a few.

Raising tax obviously isn't socialist, unless you think Thatcher who more than doubled Vat, was socialist.
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Personally don't think this is much of an issue.
£2 a night isn't going to break the bank especially as it's capped at £14, the real test will be what they actually spend the money on.
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Gosh, you really are boring. And you're getting triggered about a separate country issuing a tax that you're not going to have to pay.

All governments tax to raise money, including the Tories and your beloved Trump.

Because you know, taxation pays for things that we.need as a society, like the police, fire service, ambulance, courts, child care, healthcare, roads, bridges, schools and the armed forces... to name a few.

Raising tax obviously isn't socialist, unless you think Thatcher who more than doubled Vat, was socialist.
I know, that's the prevalent attitude in Scotland and for that reason they're headed to the rocks eventually. Tax without looking back, for short.

I think Trump cut them, didn't he?
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I know, that's the prevalent attitude in Scotland and for that reason they're headed to the rocks eventually. Tax without looking back, for short.
Deary me, you don't even read the articles you're getting outraged over do you?

It's a tourist tax, its not going to be paid by people who live there. It's going to be paid by tourists so the council has money to provide vital public services. Where do you think a council gets money from to collect your bins and fix the roads? It's the same as how you pay Vat...

As for 'running back to wetsminster', this is a council decision, not a national one.

As usual though Zhog, you don't really know why you're angry. Quite how you're so enraged about a separate council issuing a tax on tourists, is anyone's guess...
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The charge, which would apply to all accommodation apart from campsites, is expected to raise up to £14.6 million a year, which will go back to the city.
That's the whole point and nothing else, just another excuse to cream some off. The bigger the mountain of spending gets, the more frantic the need to tax at any cost. Were there any morality to it and nobody would be taxed for living in a house and using the utilities.
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Pick a popular tourist destination in Europe and there's a good chance that you need to pay a tourist tax to holiday there.

The question is why it hasn't happened earlier. Negative externalities? Tax 'em.
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Deary me, you don't even read the articles you're getting outraged over do you?

It's a tourist tax, its not going to be paid by people who live there. It's going to be paid by tourists so the council has money to provide vital public services. Where do you think a council gets money from to collect your bins and fix the roads? It's the same as how you pay Vat...

As for 'running back to wetsminster', this is a council decision, not a national one.

As usual though Zhog, you don't really know why you're angry. Quite how you're so enraged about a separate council issuing a tax on tourists, is anyone's guess...
The only person angry and enraged is you, I've sussed you out some time ago. I actually thought I might enjoy talking to you but now i've gone off the idea. Never mind, take care.
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That's the whole point and nothing else, just another excuse to cream some off. The bigger the mountain of spending gets, the more frantic the need to tax at any cost. Were there any morality to it and nobody would be taxed for living in a house and using the utilities.
Fantastic. £14.6 million to spend on schools, hospitals, police, local roads, childcare and housing. Money that will make a real positive difference to people who live there. Obviously though, you're against all that...


You do realise when you pay to stay in a hotel, tax is charged on it?
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Pay a tourist tax every time you buy a pint in these cities though :laugh:
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Fantastic. £14.6 million to spend on schools, hospitals, police, local roads, childcare and housing. Money that will make a real positive difference to people who live there. Obviously though, you're against all that...


You do realise when you pay to stay in a hotel, tax is charged on it?
What I'm against is narrow-minded people whose policies are all summed up in an easy-to-follow sentence: tax and spend. Absolutely nothing else to them, that is all they are capable of thinking and of course the world is a lot more complicated than that.

Yeah, I do realise we are already taxed for a lot of stuff. Your tribe will just carry creating even more ways to screw the money people work for out of their pockets as if it grew on trees or something like that. This really isn't an interesting conversation to have with peple like that, they are blind in one eye.
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What I'm against is narrow-minded people whose policies are all summed up in an easy-to-follow sentence: tax and spend. Absolutely nothing else to them, that is all they are capable of thinking and of course the world is a lot more complicated than that.

Yeah, I do realise we are already taxed for a lot of stuff. Your tribe will just carry creating even more ways to screw the money people work for out of their pockets as if it grew on trees or something like that. This really isn't an interesting conversation to have with peple like that, they are blind in one eye.
Yes, spending money so we can have a police force, healthcare system, childcare and schools. How awful, eh? How do you think those things get funded Zhog? Do you think our armed forces and border control work for free? Do you think hospitals build themselves and roads repair themselves? Do you think bins collect and empty themselves? Do you think state schools just arise out the ground without cost?

It's clear you haven't read the article, as usual. It's a levy paid by TOURISTS. Not people who live there. It's people who are choosing to go on holiday there, and they are being asked to pay an extra tenner in total. Quite why that enraged you, is anyone's guess.

Perhaps it's you who needs to stop being so narrow-minded and realise that in order to find things we all need and use, taxation is necessary.
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You're considerably younger than I thought at first, too much of a bridge to gap to settle at a level. Far too much nonsense to sift through.
Ah I see. You have no response, and resort to petty personal insults. Yet again you have linked to an article, without reading it or understanding it. You clearly don't understand how public services are funded and how taxation works. You don't even seem to understand what the word 'tourist' means.

But two can play at that game. You're clearly an angry, older, non student who hangs about on a student forum, engaging in all sorts of conspiracy theories. Why are you so angry all the time? Take a day off, mate.

There you go.
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Ah I see. You have no response, and resort to petty personal insults. Yet again you have paired an article, without reading it or understanding it. You clearly don't understand how public services are funded and how taxation works.

But two can play at that game. You're clearly an angry older, non student who hangs about on a student forum, engaging in all sorts of conspiracy theories. Why are you so angry all the time? Take a day off, mate.

There you go.
Why don't you just stop being stupid and get on with your life, stop following me around and we'll be fine.
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Why don't you just stop being stupid and get on with your life, stop following me around and we'll be fine.
I'm not 'following you', I'm responding to posts on the forum, as anyone does.

Well done for taking your own thread wildly off topic. You made a thread, getting outraged about a council in a country you don't live, raising a small levy on tourists, then you complain about people responding to point out how ridiculous your argument is.

What's wrong with charging tourists, who've chosen to visit the city, a small tax to find vital public services?
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(Original post by zhog)
mahttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47157011

My estimate is that the Scots will be pouring over the border within a decade and begging Westminster to rescue them from the socialists, they will have to become even more creative at thinking up ways to make people part company with their money. The socialist groovy-train is a bottomless pit everywhere in the world.
If Edinburgh is as enterprising as Manchester Airport, they will do really well. It now costs £5 to be dropped off at Manchester Airport and there is no opporunity to be picked up without paying for parking.
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£2 a night extra as a tourist is nothing, I can't see that deterring many people. And those it does deter will be the people not wanting to spend much in the city anyway.

Given that Airbnb was specifically mentioned, and that Airbnb is a definite problem for regulators, why not just address that properly? Airbnb is 'supposed' to be your main residence but letting people stay there for a bit when you're on holiday. Lots of people are buying properties with no intention to live there, and get around tenants' rights by doing this temporary thing with Airbnb. Have a multiple homes tax, that increases exponentially the more you have.
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